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Old 12-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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My 2013 6-cylinder Outback is 7 weeks old with 3,900 miles and has been averaging 23.8 on the MPG Display (22.8 actual) with a lot of short trips (50% city / 50% highway).

Have recently upgraded engine, trans, and differential fluids to Group IV & V synthetic fluids and run 38 psi in front tires and 35 psi in the rear with 87 Octane Mid-grade fuel from Chevron. Average temperatures range from 30*F to 15*F.

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Old 12-24-2012, 10:14 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ventura to Mammoth Lakes w/ 1000 miles on the ODO, I averaged 26MPG. Shell Gasoline

Mammoth Lakes to Ventura w/ 1400 miles on the ODO, I averaged 29MPG. Gas from an Indian reservation in Bishop.

I drove 70MPH on the way up, and ascended from sea level to around 8000 feet. On the way back I drove around 65MPH and descended to sea level.

It's either your driving style and MPG expectations are incongruent, or you've got something wrong with your car. Good luck with it.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:41 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Costco is 20-40c cheaper per gallon in our area, and has their 'clean power' detergent additives, similar to the brand name stations. I always try to purchase from the highest volume stations to reduce the chance of water contamination. We don't have ethanol-free gas available in my area.

There are 134 operating refineries in the US. Some gasoline is also imported (mostly from Europe). If you take away California (16) - especially with the wide variety of formulations required so you might see some variations there- each state except maybe Texas (27) is served only by handful of refineries. The Congress mandates ethanol mixtures most areas too. There is no way that there can be any significant variation based on any sort of additive mixture, unless the additives are insufficient to keep injectors clean. Every branded oil retailer has a effective additives and quality assurance procedures to keep contaminants out of their products. Many are identical (e.g. Speedway/Marathon).

This whole discussion is all about the power of marketing and branding. I'd just buy from whoever is cheapest and most convenient. Gasoline of a particular octane is a commodity with one price. If there was a difference, it would be graded like agricultural products.
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Default I deliver gas for a living and I recommend only tier 1 gas

Most of the gas comes from the same places what makes it different is the amount of cleaning additives that is put in. no brand name gasoline is tier 2-3 gas with the minium amount of additives required by federal law.
Tier 1 gas has roughly twice the cleaning additive as low price gasoline. phillips 66/conoco gas has 2 1/2 times the cleaning additives a low price gasoline. I would contact subaru and see if you can obtain a list of tier one gasolines that are available.

If you are at higher altitude I still would not go below 87 octane because it you go to a lower altitude it could cause your car to ping and pull timing causing worse fuel economy. I also recomend that you avoid gas with ethanol in it if you have a choice to get 100% gas. 100% gas will get you 10% better fuel economy. Absoultly avoid gas with more than 10% ethanol. If you car sets a lot or you use e 10 use a additive like stabil ethanol gas treatment. Ethanol is hydroscopic meaning it pulls water out of the air over time and can carode your fuel system from the inside out because the water turns the fuel acidic.

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I use Conoco with no Ethanol. Lucky for me we have a service station 5 - 10 mins away that only stocks Ethanol free.....those stations are few and far between though.
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I use Conoco with no Ethanol. Lucky for me we have a service station 5 - 10 mins away that only stocks Ethanol free.....those stations are few and far between though.
Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you find a station that doesn't use Ethanol? The only way I know of is to go there and look at the pump. Is there an easier way than searching the hundreds of local stations one at a time?
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Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you find a station that doesn't use Ethanol? The only way I know of is to go there and look at the pump. Is there an easier way than searching the hundreds of local stations one at a time?
You might try this site :
Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada
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Watch out. The EPA approved states to raise the blend with up to 15% ethanol.

Will the New Ethanol Blend Tank My Ride? | Mother Jones
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With my 2012 limited 3.6 I use 87 octane and normally use a top tier gas station Top Tier Gasoline.
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