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Old 02-26-2013, 07:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Much has been written about the changes Subaru made for the 13 model year but how many people like the earlier versions better.


-I don't like the wart like oversized fog's.
-Cloth seat material is cheaper in feel and look? Not that the 10-12's are anything special
-No chrome rings around sped/tach.
- EJ series engine quieter and gets a little better MPG.
- Suspension a little harsh. Some people like the more isolated feel at the expense of handling.
- Wheels design?
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I don't mind the size of the fogs but I don't like how they stick out further than the bumper and headlights. It gives the front end a wierd profile when looking from the side.
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Having never owned either, my opinion is that the '13+s are significantly better looking than the 10-12s. I like the huge fog lights on the new one... makes them look more like the previous generations' awesomely huge fog lights. The whole front end is way better looking overall. I also like the wheels on the new 13s way better.

Of course, as a whole I do not like the way the 4th gen Outbacks look.
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- EJ series engine quieter and gets a little better MPG.
Has a reduction in gas mileage been the case with all 2013's or just some anecdotal observations? The EPA ratings for the FB are better so one would think it would also translate into better mpg in the real world and, if not, then why?

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- Suspension a little harsh. Some people like the more isolated feel at the expense of handling.
I've never driven a 2013 but that was CR's observation but with improvement in emergency handling. I like the softer ride for the many pothole riddled roads I travel - much better ride than my two previous cars that were a jarring experience.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think the MPG statement is just based on some of the comments I have heard, but I certainly like to do some more in depth analysis. Anyway, this morning I was out and witnessed this traction issue from the rear. I made a left turn from a stop on a slightly ice packed section of road and got the rear of the car to swing around, traction control system was late to the game in trying to correct. So. I'm assuming the comment from NICKSHU was the 13 model is better in this regard is spot on. Perhaps the rear ends are better planted than the 10-12's and the traction control software is quicker to react or the processor is upgraded
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I think it is still too early to really call out the FB engine as having worse fuel economy.. most of us are still very early with our 2013s and we haven't been through summer weather.

With 2500 miles on the ODO mine is kind of hinting the fuel economy might be getting better.. my first 4-5 tanks of gas were all around 22-23mpg in city driving.. now it is holding more like 25mpg. But this is all still winter driving. Mine has never seen "summer gas".

Another benefit of the 2013 is the IIHS Top Safety Pick + rating due to the improvements to the side airbag behavior.

Personally the suspension is a big deal to me... I would not want a softer/floatier suspension tune.

I haven't had many opportunities to try sliding my 2013.. I did floor it at low speed going around a 90 degree corner in 3-4 inches of snow and the back does not step out much at all.. the traction control pretty much transparently made it seem like the car wasn't sliding, and it didn't feel like the gas was being cut significantly like in some cars I've driven. Is this different than what a 2010-2012 would do?
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I like the stiffer suspension. The #1 reason I traded my 2012 for 2013. For me I came to Subaru from a lifetime of European cars, so I guess I am used to (and prefer) a tighter suspension and handling more than many people do.
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I like the stiffer suspension. The #1 reason I traded my 2012 for 2013. For me I came to Subaru from a lifetime of European cars, so I guess I am used to (and prefer) a tighter suspension and handling more than many people do.
My 2010 had marshmallow suspension. The 2013 is more what I would expect it to be. Better handling but I wouldn't consider it harsh at all, after all it is my wife's car. As far as the mpg goes my 2010 was getting 27.0 and the 2013 is getting 27.3. Same roads, same commute, same driver. I can't wait to get to summer gas to see how much better it really is. Lots of improvements going from the 2010 to the 2013 (even the simple things like headlight flash at overpasses is fixed). Fogs are nice, they went back to the Subie look. I still have my 2010 Legacy just to remind me of the way things used to be. Soon that will be replaced by a Forester XT.
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As for mpg, current numbers at Fuelly for the 2.5 are 23.8 for the 2013 and 25.0 for the 2012 following 96 and 92 cars respectively. 1114 fill-ups for the '13's and 2632 fill-ups on the '12's. Personally I'm averaging 21.5mpg after 4500 miles. We'll have to see if Summer weather and gas bring the '13 averages up to previous years.
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I think it is still too early to really call out the FB engine as having worse fuel economy.. most of us are still very early with our 2013s and we haven't been through summer weather.

With 2500 miles on the ODO mine is kind of hinting the fuel economy might be getting better.. my first 4-5 tanks of gas were all around 22-23mpg in city driving.. now it is holding more like 25mpg. But this is all still winter driving. Mine has never seen "summer gas".

Another benefit of the 2013 is the IIHS Top Safety Pick + rating due to the improvements to the side airbag behavior.

Personally the suspension is a big deal to me... I would not want a softer/floatier suspension tune.

I haven't had many opportunities to try sliding my 2013.. I did floor it at low speed going around a 90 degree corner in 3-4 inches of snow and the back does not step out much at all.. the traction control pretty much transparently made it seem like the car wasn't sliding, and it didn't feel like the gas was being cut significantly like in some cars I've driven. Is this different than what a 2010-2012 would do?
Interesting, My 10 is not transparent, in fact, I do feel the power being cut and If I did what you did I'm sure I would do a 360 before it was all over. Anybody else feel a difference?
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