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Old 10-22-2013, 08:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am looking to add remote start to my '11 OB. The dealer has quoted me around $500 installed. I have found it online for $277 and then $50 to program if I installed it myself. The other option is the Viper value 2-way remote start. BestBuy has it for around $270 installed plus maybe a relay. Is there any real benefit of the factory over something like the Viper? The Viper one has a long range, and doesn't shut off when you open the door. Also, is there anyway to program the factory remote start so the car doesn't shut off if you open the door within the 15 minute run time?

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I am looking to add remote start to my '11 OB. The dealer has quoted me around $500 installed. I have found it online for $277 and then $50 to program if I installed it myself. The other option is the Viper value 2-way remote start. BestBuy has it for around $270 installed plus maybe a relay. Is there any real benefit of the factory over something like the Viper? The Viper one has a long range, and doesn't shut off when you open the door. Also, is there anyway to program the factory remote start so the car doesn't shut off if you open the door within the 15 minute run time?

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I've heard many horror stories of aftermarket remote start installs by Best Buy-type places (20-something year olds with no real auto-install . Rather than take a gamble on saving the money upfront, it's best to get it done right the first time. Depending on how often you plan to use the RS, I always recommend a good aftermarket brand like Viper, although there are other brands as well that are as good if not better. Most OEM RS FOBs are weak in comparison to a strong 2-way FOB. $500 is the appropriate ballpark price for a good 2-way RS install. I've also had friends of mine that successfully installed on their own, so I guess YMMV.
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The BestBuy install is the one part that bothers me. The main concern about the factory remote start is how it shuts the car off as soon as you open the door. I know this is a safety thing, but isn't that hard on the car to shut off and then start again 30 seconds later? If the factory could be programmed to not do that, then I would sacrifice range for the factory wiring plug.
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The BestBuy install is the one part that bothers me. The main concern about the factory remote start is how it shuts the car off as soon as you open the door. I know this is a safety thing, but isn't that hard on the car to shut off and then start again 30 seconds later? If the factory could be programmed to not do that, then I would sacrifice range for the factory wiring plug.
Isn't the engine shut off/door open meant to prevent theft of the unoccupied, running car?
Since the OB has CAN/Bus with easily fried modules, the only thing I would add to the system is OEM PnP.
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Isn't the engine shut off/door open meant to prevent theft of the unoccupied, running car?
They didn't do that until current Gen cars. Other manufacturers don't do that. Personally I think it's a liability thing. As far as theft, you can't open the doors without a key or remote to unlock them. Even then the car shuts off if you press the brake without the key in the ignition. You can't shift the car without pressing the brake. Even if the shifter were overriden, the steering wheel would still be locked, so you can't turn it. If someone can override all 3 of those systems, chances are they'd have the car regardless of the remote starter.

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I've heard many horror stories of aftermarket remote start installs by Best Buy-type places (20-something year olds with no real auto-install . Rather than take a gamble on saving the money upfront, it's best to get it done right the first time. Depending on how often you plan to use the RS, I always recommend a good aftermarket brand like Viper, although there are other brands as well that are as good if not better. Most OEM RS FOBs are weak in comparison to a strong 2-way FOB. $500 is the appropriate ballpark price for a good 2-way RS install. I've also had friends of mine that successfully installed on their own, so I guess YMMV.
I agree with Darkblash. I went the OEM route, I had read and seen so many cases where aftermarket systems were put in cheaply, using your valet key and basically overriding all security systems. BUT once I really researched it, I found out that a quality installation can use a relay similar to how the OEM does, so you are losing a key and it's still very safe and PNP. Just find a local installation place that specializes in car alarms.

If I had it to do again, I'd go aftermarket, unless Subaru goes back to allowing you to open a door with the starter engaged. We honestly use the starte less often because of this.
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I now did this remote start thing 3 different ways on the gen4 Subaru. I first ordered my 2010 OB with factory RS installed. This is a cost effective, hassle free, risk free way of getting RS. The drawbacks are shutting off when door is opened and 400' range. Both of these are not so bad and there is a thread on workarounds for the car shutting off when the door is opened.
Next I purchased a brand new unopened Subaru RS on ebay for $100. and self installed it in my 2010 Legacy. Dealer charged me around $55. to program it's ID into the ECU. This was real cost effective but I had to install it myself and still had the same issues as above.
Next we traded in the 2010 OB for a 2013 without factory RS. I had a Viper 4203v installed for $399. I like this option the best. No shutting off when door is opened, 2000' range, 2 way feedback, lifetime warranty. The risk you incur here is install risk. Pick a good installer (certainly not Best Buy) and ask questions up front.
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I now did this remote start thing 3 different ways on the gen4 Subaru. I first ordered my 2010 OB with factory RS installed. This is a cost effective, hassle free, risk free way of getting RS. The drawbacks are shutting off when door is opened and 400' range. Both of these are not so bad and there is a thread on workarounds for the car shutting off when the door is opened.
Next I purchased a brand new unopened Subaru RS on ebay for $100. and self installed it in my 2010 Legacy. Dealer charged me around $55. to program it's ID into the ECU. This was real cost effective but I had to install it myself and still had the same issues as above.
Next we traded in the 2010 OB for a 2013 without factory RS. I had a Viper 4203v installed for $399. I like this option the best. No shutting off when door is opened, 2000' range, 2 way feedback, lifetime warranty. The risk you incur here is install risk. Pick a good installer (certainly not Best Buy) and ask questions up front.
Bingo we have a winner.

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I have had both Viper and my current RS factory install. Both are excellent but I really dislike the shut off feature opening the door which is not the case on the Forester by the way.
I will get a RS again but it will be a Viper system installed after I get my 15 OB to avoid the shut off when door opening.

I think post 6 is the path I took as well and my end result would be not to get the factory system but the Viper or other high end system installed by someone that is in the business and does this daily...
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I can understand the convenience/usefulness of RS (my former 06 Accord, now my son’s car is parked in the driveway). Off topic… I wonder with OEM/AM RS proliferation will they eventually be outlawed (new OEM/AM installs after x date), by way of Big Brother.
Do Euro brands even have an OEM RS acc/option? Munich (July 2012) while waiting for my daughter buying coffee, I was idling/AC-on parked at the curb when a cop knocked on my window to shut off the engine - Wasteful Americans, I’m sure he thought afterwards. IIRC idling was limited to 3mins, but most definitely you could not legally be idling ‘without a licensed driver in the vehicle’.
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I wonder with OEM/AM RS proliferation will they eventually be outlawed (new OEM/AM installs after x date), by way of Big Brother.
I don't doubt it. It really is a huge waste of fuel, but it sure is nice getting in a warm car . I think they have bigger things to concentrate on and more resourceful ways to manipulate fuel consumption than RS.
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