Lifting a Gen4 (10-12) Outback or Legacy?

[reddoak]

From HERE:

Originally Posted by RexyGirl

Well. actually it can, but for very few reasons:

1. The odometer cannot be verified:
If there is evidence the odometer has been messed with or disconnected at some point, SOA can void your warranty. This is because if your warranty mileage cannot be proven. You could have 60,000 miles on your car and if the odometer says 23,000, technically you would be out of warranty. THIS HAS TO BE PROVEN

2. Vehicle has been in a major accident and repaired:
If your vehicle has been in a major accident, most likely there will be additional problems down the road. SOA cannot be held responsible for something related to an accident. Most vehicles that have warranties voided for this reason have a salvage title issued by the issurance company.
THIS HAS TO BE PROVEN

3. Your vehicle has a salvage title
If your vehicle has a salvage title it is because it was in a major accident or under water. SOA cannot be held responsible for something related to water or accident damage. THIS HAS TO BE PROVEN

There may be a few other reasons, but these are the most popular. Most have to do with accident or odometer fraud.

Alot of people think that because their car is modified or "abused" that the service advisor, the dealership or SOA can void their warranty. They cannot!! Most people that go to the dealer and have an issue with something not being covered STILL HAVE A WARRANTY. Their warranty has not been voided, their warranty claim has been denied. There is a difference.

For example, if you have a problem with your transmission and the dealership or SOA determines it will not be covered under warranty, they are still under obligation to fix your window regulator if it breaks, as long as the window regulator was not damaged due to outside influences.

If you modify and/or abuse your car, that is not reason for your warranty to be voided. IT HAS TO BE PROVEN that the modification and/or abuse caused the defect. And even then your warranty is not voided, the warranty claim was just denied. Other things on your vehicle not affected by the modification and/or abuse are still covered.

Most people think that because something was not covered under warranty that their warranty is automatically voided. They don't understand that just that claim was denied.

If you are ever told that your warranty is "voided", make sure they are saying the ENTIRE warranty is voided, and not that the warranty claim was denied. If they say that the warranty is voided, get it in writing and call SOA. Most likely it is just the claim that was denied.

It is also possible to get just portions of your warranty voided. For instance, if you have had your car painted because of scratches or you change the color, then only your paint warranty could be voided. The paint is no longer original so SOA is under no obligation to cover it. It is now the responsiblity of whomever painted it.

Sorry for the long rant, it just makes me mad when people slam dealerships and SOA for "voiding" warranties, when in all acutallity, it is not.



CLIFF NOTES: Your warranty can only be voided for few reasons. Most of the time it is just your warranty claim that has been denied. The rest of your warranty remains in effect

She is a service adviser at a local dealership down here.

[Blueboxer7]

Originally Posted by reddoak

Nice to see Subtle Solutions step up. I had an intercooler splitter they designed and made. They do nice work.


Primitive sells skid plates if anyone is interested. They also sell lift spacers and they can get King Springs, as well.

Lifted one behind a stock one. Springs and spacers front and rear:

Do they have 1" spacers for all (4) corners? The picture above looks like the back is riding higher than the front.

What is the material of their spacer? I would assume they also machine their spacers out of aluminum like Subtle, right?

Thanks for posting up those pics!

[chuchu]

Originally Posted by Blueboxer7

Do they have 1" spacers for all (4) corners? The picture above looks like the back is riding higher than the front.

What is the material of their spacer? I would assume they also machine their spacers out of aluminum like Subtle, right?

Thanks for posting up those pics!

Yeah that looks like more than inch lift in the back. I'd love to see pics of just a simple 1" lift all around on stock springs.

[Blueboxer7]

Originally Posted by chuchu

Yeah that looks like more than inch lift in the back. I'd love to see pics of just a simple 1" lift all around on stock springs.

Here is one from a Gen3 that I just found on here:

Originally Posted by Subhuman

LATEST NEWS:

1" Subtle Solutions lift and KYB struts: DONE!
Hella FF50 top lights: DONE!

[reddoak]

Originally Posted by Blueboxer7

Do they have 1" spacers for all (4) corners? The picture above looks like the back is riding higher than the front.

What is the material of their spacer? I would assume they also machine their spacers out of aluminum like Subtle, right?

Thanks for posting up those pics!

Nope, it's a plastic. Not sure exactly what... I have spacers and the lifted King springs. It sits higher in the back. I'm willing to bet you could just get 1" with the blocks (from either company) alone.

[Blueboxer7]

Originally Posted by reddoak

Nope, it's a plastic. Not sure exactly what... I have spacers and the lifted King springs. It sits higher in the back. I'm willing to bet you could just get 1" with the blocks (from either company) alone.

The Primitive spacers are plastic? Wow, I don't think I would want to install anything plastic on vehicle if I were off roading. So if they are plastic, does the new longer studs thread into plastic threads as well?

The Subtle 1" lift kit is 6061 Aluminum and the bolts thread into them. I belive their shim spacers that are 1/4" or 3/8" thick are HDPE.

I agree, I think the 1" lift w/o springs would be more than enough.

[reddoak]

They come with 10.9 steel hardware. The spacers are not threaded, and are HDPE (looked at the website, wasn't sure.)

I'm not too worried about them being plastic rather than aluminum for this use. It's a spacer. More likely than not the spring perches will deform well before these crack. I'm crawling slowly over rough terrain, not going baja blitz at 100 MPH!

[Blueboxer7]

Originally Posted by reddoak

They come with 10.9 steel hardware. The spacers are not threaded, and are HDPE (looked at the website, wasn't sure.)

I'm not too worried about them being plastic rather than aluminum for this use. It's a spacer. More likely than not the spring perches will deform well before these crack. I'm crawling slowly over rough terrain, not going baja blitz at 100 MPH!

Gotcha. So what are the affects on the plastiic spacers during cold temps? Are they prone for cracking?

So if they are not threaded, how do they secure to the top hat?

[upflying]

You will definitely need that 19mm RSB with the ash end of the OB sitting up that high.
Reminds of the mods made to Dodge Caravans when converting them with wheelchair ramps.

[reddoak]

The spacers are drilled through. They hold a nut in place, and are bolted in place. It's pretty stout.

Cold weather... Not sure, it's a freezing 60 here in Orlando. HDPE if pretty tough stuff, but cold weather wasn't really a concern for me.

As far as the rsb goes, I have one out of an 08 STI. I tried disconnecting it to get more articulation from the rear suspension. Curiously enough with the stiffer King spring rates, the swaybar makes no difference in feel. It's been disconnected for about 6 weeks.