2013 Navigation Hack - Bad News

[rico567]

Originally Posted by statueim

Nevermind. The simplest workaround is therefore a Garmin.

Got the Garmin. If we buy an Outback, I'd like to know the workaround for getting a moonroof or Eyesight without having to pay for Nav.

[Tom28]

Originally Posted by lopeman2

hmorse- I am with you 100%! I have the '12 limited with Nav and suffer the same exact issues that you are. Hiss on radio, poor iPhone integration, no live traffic (possibly the most egregious omission) and locked out features. I knew nothing of ANY of these issues when making the purchase. I would have bought the non nav version of the car and saved thousands had I known...

How do we resolve???

When I was looking at a 2013 OB, I was going into the dealership after a test drive and there was a guy who pulled up in a shiney OB just like the one I wanted. When he got out, I asked him what he thought about his OB.

His exact words were: "Car is awesome. Don't buy the nav, it S U C K S". His was a 2012. And he wasn't shy about telling me this with the sales guys standing all around.

Turns out, he was at the dealership at the request of SOA who wanted him to test drive a 2013 to see if it resolved his issues that he was having in his 2012. SOA was putting him into a 2013 if it met his approval.

The response of SOA cemented my decision on buying an OB.

What I fail to understand in this thread is why, on earth, did lbotta decide to stop on the side of a major interstate instead of going up to the next exit ramp and finding a safer place to stop to fidget with the nav system.

[lashlee]

Originally Posted by GBMaryland

For the record, I had a Honda Accord EX-L with Navi, and that one didn't prevent us from enter addresses while moving. Put 150,000+ miles on it, and we never drove off the road... Etc.

I don't understand why they didn't just use the passenger's seat air bag sensor to enable or disable user input while moving. Would seem a reasonable compromise...

One other thing I really have an issue with is that it doesn't tell you the street you are turning onto verbally... So now you have to look at the center console to know the street name... That's not a distraction...

The older models allowed you to "hack" the unit to work while in motion, and I'm sure that your Accord was a model that was similar and a few years old. The OEM models are never as good as what the aftermarket can offer due to design and lead time.

Like someone else noted there is a test drive that should've been utilized before you signed on the dotted line. The issue with the horrible nav is a known one, especially on here and I'm sad to say that if you didn't do the research then shame on you. With a '13 model utilizing a new unit then someone has to be the guinea pig, and it could've gone either way. With legislators making the manufacturers adhere to certain standards then it's not SOA fault for making a car that meets all the required standards. Remember that the idiots are the ones that make it hard for all of us reasonable people.

[mpnret]

Originally Posted by GBMaryland

For the record, I had a Honda Accord EX-L with Navi, and that one didn't prevent us from enter addresses while moving. Put 150,000+ miles on it, and we never drove off the road... Etc.
.

Good thing you didn't buy a 2013 Accord based on your past experiences. They have the same nav restrictions while moving as Subaru and many others. I think your complaint is with the NHTSA, not Subaru.
From the 2013 Accord nav owners manual:
"To reduce potential driver distraction, certain onscreen functions and features are limited or inoperable while the vehicle is moving. Use voice commands or pull over to proceed."

[SubaruPusher]

Some blame to the legal industry looking for deep pockets after their clients totaled several cars while trying to punch addresses in.

I must be getting old. In my day, we were taught in Traffic Safety, to pull the map out at home, plot your route, calculate mileages and then go out and start the car. Now people grumble when they have to spend 30 seconds parked to change their GPS destination. Next they will want full service gas pumps with food service so they can save another 30 seconds.

[GBMaryland]

Originally Posted by lashlee

The older models allowed you to "hack" the unit to work while in motion, and I'm sure that your Accord was a model that was similar and a few years old. The OEM models are never as good as what the aftermarket can offer due to design and lead time.

Like someone else noted there is a test drive that should've been utilized before you signed on the dotted line. The issue with the horrible nav is a known one, especially on here and I'm sad to say that if you didn't do the research then shame on you. With a '13 model utilizing a new unit then someone has to be the guinea pig, and it could've gone either way. With legislators making the manufacturers adhere to certain standards then it's not SOA fault for making a car that meets all the required standards. Remember that the idiots are the ones that make it hard for all of us reasonable people.

For the record, I did do a test drive, and I did know that the system was restricted.

The biggest issues I have is that the sales team had no clue about the system, and no ability to answer questions.

(Like the fact that unlike the Honda unit, the Nav / Audio system are not actually integrated... [stereo volume fades when nav speaks] or that they are three separate places to modify the volumes for the nav, stereo, sound effects, etc. [there may be 4, come to think of it])

In fact, I ordered the car from the factory based on how a 2013 (2.5) drove, and how a 2012 moved (3.6R).

The NAV system is there strictly because it's better in this urban area to have a built in unit, as unless you wipe the suction cup marks off the windshield your car will be broken into.

(In fact, the wildlife camera in the front of my hosue just caught someone trying to break into my new Outback... he's going to jail for about 4 years. Gotta love it.)

I think one of the places to compare the Fujitsu to the NavTec (sp?) is that the Honda units (Alpine I guess) use most of the DVD-9, where the Subaru unit only uses a 4GB card. If you consider that alone, it's very likely you are not getting the best unit money can by.

The other thing I've noticed is that the Subaru unit looses GPS signal a fair amount of the time.

Ahhh, well. Maybe we just need to hack the code.

[GBMaryland]

Originally Posted by mpnret

Good thing you didn't buy a 2013 Accord based on your past experiences. They have the same nav restrictions while moving as Subaru and many others. I think your complaint is with the NHTSA, not Subaru.
From the 2013 Accord nav owners manual:
"To reduce potential driver distraction, certain onscreen functions and features are limited or inoperable while the vehicle is moving. Use voice commands or pull over to proceed."

Actually, I should also reply:

I didn't by a 2013 Accord based on my CURRENT experiences with them.

I actually DIDN'T buy the CrossTour based on the fact that:

- The NAV system was still DVD based, unlike EVERY other car they had

- The roof rack was a $600.00 option

- The trunk space cover was a $600.00 option

The subaru destroyed the Honda in bang for the buck.

I will tell you though, I don't use the Nav system anywhere as much as I did in my 2006 Accord EX-L. We used that sucker all the time...

[digdah]

2013 Outback Limited Navigation Fujitsu Ten Eclipise Unit Found

This is floating around in the audio forum. These links might help with the wiring changes that need to happen to get the lockout stuff disabled.

There is a wiring diagram in the installation PDF which may be different since our layout is not exactly as the unit they borrowed from but I would hope they kept the schematics pretty similar.

Fingers crossed.

[hmorse]

PLEASE let us know if it works!!!!!

[rcassano]

Ok, I read this thread but just need to clear up one point. I understand touch screen input of a destination on the 2013 Outback Nav is not possible while driving, however, is it possible to input a destination using voice commands while driving? Same question for Bluetooth phone dialing. Can I make a call using voice commands while the Outback is moving?

I'm finally about a week away from making a purchase and would love to have built in navigation, but not if operation is not possible using voice commands while underway.
If voice commands are also disabled while moving, I'll stick with my TomTom that includes lifetime maps and traffic.