The upcoming 2.0T engine - A possible option for the OBW?

[Gelacy]

Originally Posted by Healey3000

That is an impressive engine; I drove one as well. There are some odd flat spots in the throttle response, making it less than linear but that's probably a transmission thing as well.

The Subaru engine can take 87 octane but I read that power is derated to 230 from 250.

The big question for me is whether the 2014 Forester would be a better purchase than the current OBW. Three or four months isn't that long to wait (but deals may be hard to come by).

No, it's rated at 230 HP with 91 octane. Japan spec's rate the 2.0 turbo at 250 HP because they have fuel with a higher octane rating. It can take 87 but the performance will be even more sapped.

[bradze]

i think it will be in the brz for 2014. im predicting this engine will replace the 3.6l H6.

[foxrider68]

Its 250hp premium fuel 230 regular. I believe some states use different specs for measuring octane. With good computer management the CVT should allow the turbo to spool at lower RPMs and make a useful motor. Bye bye 3.6 2014 maybe it.

[billybobbovine]

given the current engine trends for smaller displacement w/ turbos, I would expect to see the 3.6 disappear. Would be interested to see if they bored it out to 2.5 though to add a little torque and make it less peaky, like they did with the USDM WRX vs ROW WRX

[Tom28]

Glad I'm a decade away from replacing my OB. Hopefully, buy that time there'll be a 4.0, 350HP engine that gets 40MPG.

I spoke with a guy at our local Cars & Coffee this past month who picked up a 2008 Indy Pace Car Vette. That thing has something like 425HP and he pulled 27.14MPG bringing it home from up north. So, I have room to dream.

I really don't want a small engine on steroids thats blown 3 ways from Sunday.

[dboz]

Guess you have never driven a high powered small displacement turbo car. While they may not have the grunt off the line that a big block muscle car can generate, twin scroll turbos can actually make really good torque down low.

My car has way more power and acceleration than any H6 is going to muster.

2.0L turbo with mild mods and running 330hp/350ft/lbs at the wheels.

[Space Wrangler]

i've yet to drive a 2L turbo that i like as much as the H6. the 2L turbo in the BMW 528 is less than impressive. you really have to run it hard to make it perform. ..i know the trend is small displacement with a turbo for mpg reasons. ..but i still prefer a little larger engine sans turbo. i'd really like to see the H6 in the BRZ. i'd have already bought one.

[Tom28]

Originally Posted by dboz

Guess you have never driven a high powered small displacement turbo car. While they may not have the grunt off the line that a big block muscle car can generate, twin scroll turbos can actually make really good torque down low.

My car has way more power and acceleration than any H6 is going to muster.

2.0L turbo with mild mods and running 330hp/350ft/lbs at the wheels.

Actually, I have. Several of them, in fact. And I've done it on the race track, too.

But that's not really my point. My concern is for an engine that, in my perception, is being forced to work too hard to carry too much. While a 2.0T may be just fine in something like a BRZ or a Impreza like vehicle, I question it as a serious choice for something like an Outback. Especially a loaded one and how it will handle long term. Take, for example, the Ford EcoBoost v6 in an F-150. I know Ford has tested the ever-living-crap out of that engine. And from what I've heard it has done well. But testing and real life are two different things.

[billybobbovine]

Originally Posted by Space Wrangler

i've yet to drive a 2L turbo that i like as much as the H6. the 2L turbo in the BMW 528 is less than impressive. you really have to run it hard to make it perform. ..i know the trend is small displacement with a turbo for mpg reasons. ..but i still prefer a little larger engine sans turbo. i'd really like to see the H6 in the BRZ. i'd have already bought one.

I havent driven a 528, but thats starting to be a big car for that engine anyways...but i drove the new BMW 2.0T in a 328 back to back with a 335 and I was quite impressed. I would see no real reason to fork over for the turbo 6 in that case.

The 2.0T in my GTI was awesome. Especially w/ a chip. 90%+ torque from 1800 rpm. Ran out of breath up high though.

[rico567]

Originally Posted by dboz

Many turbo cars can now run on 87, you just wont make as much power.

THIS. Our '04 SAAB 2.3T will run on any gas you like, if you don't mind the performance hit. We run 89 RON mid-grade, doesn't seem to be much different from 93.....