2013 2.5 6spd shift points for normal driving. What's too low, what's too high

[coastoutback]

Hey what's up guys, there are a lot of threads on here about fuel efficiency shift points. What about normal driving? My fuel efficiancy has gone out the window with the freeway i take to and from work normal speeds being 80-85 mph. I find myself at closer to the 3k mark when I shift. Since this is higher than most things I've read is there anything I need to know about shifting at too high an rpm.? I've always thought too low was worse. But I'm very new to stick. Any info would be greatly appreciated... I have a big hill when I leave my house and I feel right at the top of fourth gear right around 29-31k my car gets some balls and takes off. Is it ok to creep in to that range or is that working the 2.5 too hard? I know it's not an Sti impreza but its still fun to drive not like a grandma. And coming from a giant lifted truck getting 12 mpg 24 that I've been getting is good to me and it handles like a dream compared to what I'm used too. Looking forward too hearing back.

[mopartodd]

Casual driving shift point for my wifes car is between 3-3.5K RPM. She shifts around 2.5K and it sounds and feels too low...But she has a 2010 which does not have as low a torque curve as your 2013 2.5l.

[OBnube]

Originally Posted by coastoutback

....... What about normal driving? My fuel efficiancy has gone out the window with the freeway i take to and from work normal speeds being 80-85 mph.......

The answer is in your question. Your shift points are not what's killing your mileage.

[OutbackUFO]

Originally Posted by OBnube

The answer is in your question. Your shift points are not what's killing your mileage.

Yup. 80-85 MPH is what kills the mileage. try 70-75 but YMMV..

[BossMaverick]

Ignore the comments from the folks with the CVT/AT. The 6mt gets decent gas mileage at 80 as long as you keep a steady speed. Focus on keeping a steady speed instead of going up and down with traffic.

Also, use the eco gauge to your advantage. Play around with what gears gives the best gas mileage for the speed.

And finally, if still accelerating, let it rev. Don't be so quick to upshift if you still need to gain speed. Again, use the eco gauge to determine what upshift speeds gives the best gas mileage.

[2012Outback]

CoastOutback: We seem to have similar taste in cars!

Revving to roughly 3,000 rpm to climb the hill near your house is certainly not working the 2.5 too hard (I presume this is what you meant by 29-31K).

The amount of gas your engine uses is less related to rpm than to the amount of energy needed to do what you're asking. If you are trying to push 3,400 pounds at 80 mph, or accelerate up a hill quickly, your ecu will determine you need more power and the fuel injectors will provide you more fuel.

If you would like to see for yourself the "not exactly causal" relationship between rpm and mpg, accelerate to about 40 mph in 2nd gear (putting you at high rpm), take your foot off of the gas pedal, and look what happens to the mpg gauge on the left. Because you are no longer asking the car to accelerate or even maintain speed, the mpg gauge will shoot to the top despite the high rpm.

The way to get good mileage in this car is pretty much like any other: no jack rabbit starts, coast to stop lights, use cruise control and keep freeway speeds down (due to the exponential growth in wind resistance).

Ed

[Looby]

Aerodynamic drag consumes 49% more horsepower at 80 mph than
at 70 mph, and should reduce mpg by about 30%. (Drag horsepower
goes as speed cubed; drag energy-per-mile as speed squared.)

On level ground at constant speed, weight makes absolutely no
difference -- but it hurts when accelerating and/or climbing hills.

...not just a good idea, them's THE LAWS!

Looby

[BossMaverick]

Originally Posted by Looby

Aerodynamic drag consumes 49% more horsepower at 80 mph than
at 70 mph, and should reduce mpg by about 30%. (Drag horsepower
goes as speed cubed; drag energy-per-mile as speed squared.)

On level ground at constant speed, weight makes absolutely no
difference -- but it hurts when accelerating and/or climbing hills.

...not just a good idea, them's THE LAWS!

Looby

While I don't want to argue too much about it, I only lose about 1 to 2 mpg by going 80 instead of 70. Engine rpm and power band is also a key player in the mpg game. If 30% less mpg were true, I would be dropping 8 or 9 mpg by traveling at 80 instead of 70. In our Outbacks, that would mean we should be getting 17 to 19 mpg at a steady 80 mph. I can tell you with first hand knowledge that my Outback does much better than that for fuel mileage at 80 mph.

[coastoutback]

So maybe I wrote the question wrong? Or maybe you read it wrong. I was saying I don't care about mpg so much. Im perfectly happy with what im getting and 75-80 is pretty slow for my freeway at 6am. youll probably get flashed and flipped off if you go any slower. My question is the shift points and is it cool to go above 3k. At the top of 4th going up hill around 29-3k the car starts pulling nicely . Is it ok to take it to 3500+? I just want to take care of my new investment and don't want to harm the engine. Normally I shift in the 28-31k range. And has anyone mastered the hill assist. I find it weird and can't get the hang of it. But I am enjoying the new world of stick shift..

[Looby]

Originally Posted by coastoutback

My question is the shift points and is it cool to go above 3k

I seldom let the tach drop below 2500. In heavy traffic -- where
throttle response is a safety factor -- I don't let it dip below 3000
even at steady speed on a flat road. For even moderately spirited
driving I routinely shift between 4000 and 5000 -- and often wind
it up to near redline.

FWIW, I get mid-20s mpg "just drivin' around" on suburban/rural
PA roads -- and high-20's at 75-ish mph on interstate highways
(that's about the ONLY place that it ever gets into 6th gear).

Physics 101: At 3000 rpm, you don't have a 170 hp engine -- it's
no more than 95 hp. At 2000 rpm, you have less than 60 hp.

...rpms are your friends,

Looby