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Old 01-04-2012, 07:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 98 Outback... Love the car... Replaced everything but the engine and tranny... I mean tires, axles, bearings, shocks, struts, supports, calipers, brakes, rotors, radiator, belts, hoses, timing belt, water pump, starter, alternator and steering Knuckle. I'm sure i missed more but here's the deal. 208,000 miles and recently overheated. So as you Subaru Enthusiasts already figured, the HeadGaskets Blown. The car runs and drives like new and plows through snow like a tank. I got a price to completely rebuild the engine start to finish... $3000 grand out the door, including a 2 year unlimited milage warranty. To just replace the head gasket and reseal the engines few oil leaks $2300 bucks... Head gasket alone $1600 bucks... I got the car for free 3 years ago from a friend. Just have already invested over $3000 grand into it already. Don't know when enoughs enough....??? I drive 40 to 50 thousand miles a year for work... I reallly wanna rebuild the engine and keep it... But is a 1998 worth it.... Please throw some of your Subaru Wisdom my way.... Thanks
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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first, it is not the cost of repair vs. the value of the car. it is the cost of repair vs. the cost of another car in the same condition. so just ignore the ''value'' of the car.

what could you get for 3k else where? what would it need? the one you have is almost always cheaper to put back on the road.

have you considered CCR, colorado component rebuilders , or something like that. they rebuild subaru engines and do a pretty good job. the cost may be the same, i don't know.

i would look for a used engine with a bad timing belt and put your known good heads on it. engine, gaskets, all timing components, will be in the 700 - 1000$ range, plus labor. but that's just me. if the replacement block has not been over heated or starved for oil, it should be a pretty safe bet.

now if you drive as much as you say, do the rebuild. you'll have about $6k in the car. drive it 60k miles and that is $0.10 per mile. this is like buying a NEW car for $25k and driving it 250k miles.

drive 100k miles and that is $0.06 per mile. this is like driving a new $25k car 416k miles.

do the timing belt again and then drive another 50k miles???

for me it is a math problem. but for lots of people it is ''drive what you like'', especially if they are paying you to drive.

if you want the auto trans to last, change the fluid often. have the shop do a drain and fill every 3 - 4 months, 12 - 15k miles?. (not a flush.) this will replace about 3.5 qts of fluid (~1/3) and keep it fresh.
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I check locally within 100 or so miles of me for used engines... Surprisingly, Engines ranging from 112k to 173k miles ran in between $1750-$1200 dollars respectively. Now once u get that engine you would need to do the timing belt and reseal all the gaskets before installing. Plus, I am not the mechanical type. I can change my oil, maybe a belt or two. But engine swaps are beyond my expertise... Timing belt and resealing run between $1000-$2000 dollars. So financially not sure used engine are worth it.
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Plus since my head most likely warped from overheating they would not be good on another motor. I do like what you said about cost vs value.... Makes total sense. I never looked at it that way. Thanks for the advise.... It's much appreciated...... I'm thinking I'm gonna have him rebuild it for the 3000 grand... I think the 2 year unlimited milage warranty seals the deal...
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He's offering to rebuild it and offer a 2 year warranty and you will almost drive 100k in 2 years.... yeah
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How handy are you?

Just rebuild it and replace the head-gaskets for cheap... Honestly Legos are about as simple...

It's not hard





Friend i think I got a brand new spare HG somewhere in my garage(just in case). I'll never use it if you need it you can have it. **** you can get a set of 2 for $50(last i can remember). Ebay...
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Did it by myself and took about a week to do. (also did engine work too) But a simple head gasket should only take a few days...

Motor was in the same shape as yours, warped head... Just plane the head for $50-$100 at a machine shop. No big deal.

Total cost >$500. and I paid for performance head work... It would be less if you just swapped the head gaskets... Easily under $300.

It was my first complete engine tear down.



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Wow. Thank you so much for the offer... Thats really great of you. If i decide to go that route i will definatly take u up on it... Mechanically... I have NO chance of changing a headgasket by myself... Oils changes, air filters ok.. Not much after that. I have thought about doing just the head gasket. But I'm worried about something my mechanic said. He said sometimes when you replace just a head gasket on a Subaru with 208k miles they tend to spin a main bearing soon after due to added compression from the repair...
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i suggested a used engine with a busted timing belt. this means it will have bent valves and not as much value or cost. overheated engines can be bought for as little as $150. with bad timing belt i'm guessing 400 - 500$ . but every area is different and availability is different.

a good place to look is Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market , craigslist may be a cheaper source. you just have to find the guy who is parting out a car.

most folks here, not all, but a lot, do their own work and they would rather do it for less even with the risk of having to do it again. but given the miles you drive and that you are having to buy the labor i can see the wisdom in the rebuild. even if the price is scary. and if you get 200k out of the engine instead of only 100k then it makes good sense $$$.

let us know what you decide and how it goes.
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depending on how well you know your mechanic / shop, you might consider a ''not to exceed'' agreement. that way the price does not continue to increase as the project evolves.

and regardless of price, you want to use ''subaru'' head gaskets, from a subaru dealer. others may work, but if the gaskets fail someone will be unhappy. and the price difference is not going to make or break the profit on a $3000 job.
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If I may ask a question... Does anyone make multi layer steel head gaskets for it? I would guess that a MLS head gasket and head studs would solve the problem forever.
(of course without engine neglect)
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