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'05 Outback 2.5i 04-02-2008 10:37 AM

Anyone tow 3,000 lbs with their Outback?
 
Okay,

So Subaru rates the Outback 2.5i & 2.5XT to tow 2,700 lbs, and the Outback 3.0 to tow 3,000 lbs. So has anyone had any experience actually towing such loads with their Outback?!? I use to tow a 3,000 lb boat & Trailer with a Discovery (which was great), but have a hard time imagining towing such a load with an Outback? I was hoping someone with experience could weigh in. Thanks...

AWDFTW 04-02-2008 10:58 AM

Well, Subaru rates the car to 2700....it could do it I think, depending on how often and how far the trip was.

Transmission cooler and trailer brakes a must.

jfine 04-02-2008 03:26 PM

I'll be towing a 1600lb GTW (gross trailer weight) boat in about 3 weeks with my new OB, just have to break in that first thousand miles before I do so. I have no doubt that the Outback will have no issues. When I was shopping I was really torn on going with the H6 vs H4, I'm not a fast driver, so it was purely a MPG issue. My wife helped me make the decision though when she said, "Even if the H4 can do it, how pissed would you be if once you put the boat on you felt it struggling?".

So I went with the H6. I have no doubt that both can easily tow what they're rated at. The real question is, how much would they struggle towing what they're rated at. Many people will point you towards the 50% rule (take any max and multiply by 0.5). Personally I live by the 75% rule. With the H6 that means if I decide to upgrade from our little 15'er to a 19'er, I should still be Ok, with the H4, probably not.

I'll report back once I start towing the boat at the end of this month.

On a semi related note. I regularly towed my motorcycle (450lbs wet) on a fairly heavy Uhaul trailer (~1000lbs) with my 1993 Ford Escort wagon, which had less than 100HP. It struggled, and the transmission had to be rebuilt at 90k miles (probably could have used a cooler) but none the less it towed it.

Ruperts Trooper 04-02-2008 03:33 PM

I tow a single axle 1250kg caravan (2756lb travel trailer) as Outbacks have an 1800kg (3969lb) towing limit in Europe - it handles just fine, cruising at 60mph, unaffected by motorway gradients and still stable at 75 while overtaking.

A boat trailer should be even more stable - caravans (travel trailers) have higher yaw momentum than boat trailers.

'05 Outback 2.5i 04-03-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Ruperts Trooper
I tow a 1250kg caravan (2756lb travel trailer) as Outbacks have an 1800kg (3969lb) towing limit in Europe - it handles just fine, cruising at 60mph, unaffected by motorway gradients and still stable at 75 while overtaking.

A boat trailer should be even more stable - caravans (travel trailers) have higher yaw momentum than boat trailers.

How does it handle the tongue weight? I had a feeling (like so many other vehicles) that Subaru probably rats it for heavier towed loads in Europe. I'm concerned about the clutch (its a manual), and primarily about the towing stability. Trailer brakes would be an obvious must, but I worry about the 'tail ruling the dog' syndrome..

Ruperts Trooper 04-03-2008 12:08 PM

For Europe, the maximum noseweight (tongue weight) is 82.4kg (182lb) which is the noseweight I load our caravan to - my Outback handles it fine. The self-levelling suspension avoids any pitching associated with the long tail overhang.

For Europe, the Outback's 1800kg towing limit applies equally to manual and automatic transmission cars - manufacturers usually downrate a car's towing limit if they have concerns about engine or transmission.

For Europe, all trailers must have brakes UNLESS they're under 750kg (1654lb) gross AND under 50% of the tow vehicles kerbweight.

To aid stability, Germany has the strictest towing rules in Europe - to be permitted to tow at 62mph (100kph) the gross weight of the trailer must not exceed 100% of the towcar's kerbweight, must be fitted with brakes and dampers (shock absorbers) and tested annually. Trailers which don't meet these conditions are limited to 50mph (80kph). France has the most liberal - allowing 81mph ( 130kph) as long as it isn't raining!

'05 Outback 2.5i 04-03-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Ruperts Trooper
For Europe, the maximum noseweight (tongue weight) is 82.4kg (182lb) which is the noseweight I load our caravan to - my Outback handles it fine. The self-levelling suspension avoids any pitching associated with the long tail overhang.

For Europe, the Outback's 1800kg towing limit applies equally to manual and automatic transmission cars - manufacturers usually downrate a car's towing limit if they have concerns about engine or transmission.

For Europe, all trailers must have brakes UNLESS they're under 750kg (1654lb) gross AND under 50% of the tow vehicles kerbweight.

To aid stability, Germany has the strictest towing rules in Europe - to be permitted to tow at 62mph (100kph) the gross weight of the trailer must not exceed 100% of the towcar's kerbweight, must be fitted with brakes and dampers (shock absorbers) and tested annually. Trailers which don't meet these conditions are limited to 50mph (80kph). France has the most liberal - allowing 81mph ( 130kph) as long as it isn't raining!

I would have thought 182 lbs was a little light for a 2,700 lb trailer, I was always told 10% of the trailer weight should go on the tongue, otherwise sway issues would be prevalent. In your case, that would be about 270 lbs, almost a full 100 lbs more?

I wish the US had more stringent rules for towing trailers, they seem like an afterthought at best in the US. I guess this, in part, plays into the reason why so many identical vehicles have higher towing ratings in Europe then they do when they land in the US, LOL!

Thanks for your replies, the insight has been helpful. Having always used a truck for towing, the thought of using our Outback to tow a 3,000 lb boat brings this video vividly to mind :eek:

jfine 04-03-2008 01:38 PM

Bawhahaha... awesome video. I hadn't seen that one.

Ruperts Trooper 04-03-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by '05 Outback2.5i


I would have thought 182 lbs was a little light for a 2,700 lb trailer, I was always told 10% of the trailer weight should go on the tongue, otherwise sway issues would be prevalent. In your case, that would be about 270 lbs, almost a full 100 lbs more?

I wish the US had more stringent rules for towing trailers, they seem like an afterthought at best in the US. I guess this, in part, plays into the reason why so many identical vehicles have higher towing ratings in Europe then they do when they land in the US, LOL!

Thanks for your replies, the insight has been helpful. Having always used a truck for towing, the thought of using our Outback to tow a 3,000 lb boat brings this video vividly to mind :eek:

4 - 7% of trailer weight is more general in Europe for noseweights.

What's the Outback tongue limit in the US.?

We obviously have to accept manufacturers limits - if our vehicles would accept 10% we'd certainly tow higher trailer weights!

Personally, I would feel comfortable with a 1520kg boat trailer (3350lbs) at 82 kg noseweight (182lbs) behind my Outback at 60mph - but it's your call.

'05 Outback 2.5i 04-03-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ruperts Trooper


4 - 7% of trailer weight is more general in Europe for noseweights.

What's the Outback tongue limit in the US.?

We obviously have to accept manufacturers limits - if our vehicles would accept 10% we'd certainly tow higher trailer weights!

Personally, I would feel comfortable with a 1520kg boat trailer (3350lbs) at 82 kg noseweight (182lbs) behind my Outback at 60mph - but it's your call.

Subaru's Accessory Hitch is rated for 200 lbs on the tongue and 2700 lbs - 3,000 lbs trailer (strangely they rate the 2.5 for 2,700 lbs and the 3.0 for 3,000 lbs, same hitch though, and probably the same hitch you get -- Which is an interesting question, is it the same hitch?).

Of course, I have the dilemma as well that I would actually be exceeding the manufacturer's rating since I have the 2.5i, even though it is rated to tow almost 4,000 lbs in Europe.


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