Eyesight eliminating options?

[outbackpacker3]

I think eyesight is a really cool feature, but has anyone noticed that eyesight isn't available with certain options?

So far I've seen that you can't have the special appearance package, interior illumination kit and a few paint colors (I'm not exactly sure on all of the colors but I know black and maybe gray can't have it).

I can understand the whole paint thing getting too hot. But I still wonder about the special appearance pkg and interior illumination kit.

Has anyone else found anything about this?

[Se7enLC]

Originally Posted by outbackpacker3

I think eyesight is a really cool feature, but has anyone noticed that eyesight isn't available with certain options?

Not uncommon - they just don't make every combination of options so that dealers don't get stuck with the "weird ones". They make a guess as to what people want and go from there.

So far I've seen that you can't have the special appearance package, interior illumination kit and a few paint colors (I'm not exactly sure on all of the colors but I know black and maybe gray can't have it).

It does seem weird that the SAP and EyeSight aren't available together. Somebody willing to pay extra to get push button starting and memory seats might maybe be interested in paying more to get the EyeSight system, I would have thought!

The colors things was interesting to me, too. And what it shows online is not necessarily what really exists at a dealer OR what you can actually order from the factory. The Venetian Red is supposedly available with the ivory leather interior, but in reality, you have to special order to get that combination.

The interior illumination kit is a dealer-installed item, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get that with either SAP or EyeSight. Apart from the fact that it's like $300 extra for a couple of LEDs.

I can understand the whole paint thing getting too hot. But I still wonder about the special appearance pkg and interior illumination kit.

Paint getting too hot? That's not seriously the reason somebody gave you, is it? If an LED gets so hot that it melts your paint, something is wrong with both the paint AND the LED!

[Sequoia225]

Originally Posted by Se7enLC

Paint getting too hot? That's not seriously the reason somebody gave you, is it? If an LED gets so hot that it melts your paint, something is wrong with both the paint AND the LED!

hes talking about eyesight with paint colors.
You cannot get Black with Eyesight. It is a heat issue.

And since these cars have gotten so expensive, I am guessing making eyesight WITH SAP would be more than most want to spend. I dont know why one couldnt order one this way - but its all about money right? Maybe to produce such a car for just a few random orders was not worth the expense to SAP.

[outbackpacker3]

I don't see why the special appearance package w/ eyesight wouldn't be available because of the contents of the

Gray machine-finish 17-inch aluminum-alloy wheels, front grille with Gray-finish slats, Black-finish headlight inner bezels, Gray-finish folding side mirrors with integrated turn signals, Gray-finish door handles with driver’s door unlock/lock touch sensor, Black rear bumper cover, Saddle Brown Leather-trimmed upholstery, 2-position driver’s seat memory, Matte-finish woodgrain-patterned accent trim, carpeted floor mats with Outback logo and Keyless Access & Start

Nothing here should interfere with eyesight so I wonder what the problem is? Thinking about contacting subaru to ask ill post the answer when I get one.

[Se7enLC]

Originally Posted by Sequoia225

hes talking about eyesight with paint colors.
You cannot get Black with Eyesight. It is a heat issue.

Can you cite a source for that? This is the first I've heard of that being the reason. I was under the impression that EyeSight used a visible light camera - not IR - and I can't see any reason at all why the difference in heat between black and, say, "Venetian Red", would cause it to malfunction.

Or is the problem that the car itself will get too hot for the electronics? If that's the case, that's pretty poor design!

And since these cars have gotten so expensive, I am guessing making eyesight WITH SAP would be more than most want to spend. I dont know why one couldnt order one this way - but its all about money right? Maybe to produce such a car for just a few random orders was not worth the expense to SAP.

I had a similar issue when I ordered my Jeep in 2005. You apparently couldn't get the iconic light bar with heated leather seats. It certainly wasn't excessive power drain on the alternator, but perhaps some wiring harness just didn't have 2 ports on it or a fuse slot was reused or something. Could be anything, really. Maybe they just didn't feel like writing two sets of ECU firmware - since surely the SAP must have different code to handle the push-button start and auto-unlock features.

[OBnube]

IIRC the Eyesight and Interior Illumination Kit both use the same connector in the passenger side A-piller.

[outbackpacker3]

Originally Posted by Sequoia225

And since these cars have gotten so expensive, I am guessing making eyesight WITH SAP would be more than most want to spend. I dont know why one couldnt order one this way - but its all about money right? Maybe to produce such a car for just a few random orders was not worth the expense to SAP.

I don't see why it would be that much more you already have to have the NAV and moonroof and both packages are about the same price so it probably wouldn't be more than a 4500 package altogether. After all if you're buying the outback limited I don't think the extra money would make a difference.

[imwjl]

I'm not going to guess Subaru's reasons but sure am glad I got the Eyesight package. Especially now with almost 3 months in the car.

Nobody could have told me how nice adaptive cruise is in traffic. The safety features have been there enough to know it really could make the difference between accident or not. Knowing what I know now would make it even harder for me to consider an appearance package over function.

[Gelacy]

JDM 2014 Subaru Foresters have both EyeSight and SAP. Not sure about the JDM 2013 Subaru Outback. I'm crossing my fingers that the USDM 2014 Subaru Forester comes with EyeSight and SAP as two options that can be had together.

I couldn't find anything from a quick Google search officially from Subaru but here is the original thread. Problems with Black 2013 Outbacks that have eyesight

=P You're going to have to do the search yourself if you want an official document. As far as I can tell the blank paint will just make the it worse for computer hardware attached to the roof of your Outback. Laptops and computers have fans (or water cooling for custom computers) to make sure the heat doesn't damage the CPU and graphics card. The EyeSight system doesn't have that. The 2014 Subaru Forester with EyeSight will confirm for us whether or not since the Subaru Forester is also offered in black.

[Sequoia225]

Originally Posted by Se7enLC

Can you cite a source for that? This is the first I've heard of that being the reason. I was under the impression that EyeSight used a visible light camera - not IR - and I can't see any reason at all why the difference in heat between black and, say, "Venetian Red", would cause it to malfunction.

Or is the problem that the car itself will get too hot for the electronics? If that's the case, that's pretty poor design!

The guy that runs this site


Subaru Research Site- specs, prices, options, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009.. Outback, Legacy, Forester, WRX, STI, Impreza, Tribeca, BRZ, XV Crosstrek

told me directly.
And if anyone I can find should know about Outbacks, its that guy (not to mention he works for Subaru).
It may not make it malfunction entirely, but with a safety feature that is supposed to stop your car, maybe the potential heat coming off of a hood that sits all day in 105 degree F weather like it sometimes gets at my house (or places where it gets hotter), it may be enough interference that it makes it not as reliable as they want/need it to be.
And heat causes distortion in visible light frequencies too.