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Old 01-06-2013, 02:05 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Funny!
Most I've ever talked to say they are extremely reliable & yes are more expensive to repair but for the most part dont have many issues?
Either way I will not buy new!
It will be 5 to 10 years old most likely.


From my research they seem to go for about the same price as the used outbacks....
Yet to be honest I'm not crazy about the plastic body panels they added to the XC's yet.... suppose I could get use to it?

I still wonder if they are 100% equal when it come to flat towing them?
Then do your self a favor look up engine failure due to oil starvation in v70. Any shop that does repair work on volvo knows they have some of the worst electronic components in the auto industry. I own a VW Toyota and a Subaru. Far from a all Subaru type. My custom high end shop buddy threatened me with bodily harm if we ever got a Volvo due to the horrid electronic components he has spent days rebuilding and replacing for the local dealer who farms out the problem cars to his shop.
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subiesailor - you must be kidding, right? Volvo by far has not such a dubious reputation as you are saying. As a matter fact some of V70s had much better reliability record than VW. Most Volvo's electronics in designed by Bosch and Ate of Germany. So, by your conlusion, Bosch and Ate are the worst electronic components in the auto industry. LOL ... 80% of fuel injection components in European and Asian cars are designed and made by Bosch or Ate (including your OB)!
I had quite a few Volvos in my lifetime; they are on par with most European makes - average!
Any shop that does repair on VW (I guess with the exception of S.F. Bay area) can tell you the pathetic reliability of the VW, especially those, assembled in Mexico. I traded in my 2010 Tdi VW SportWagon for Subaru few years back because of continuous petty "electronic" problems. My wife's Passat was in and out of VW shop for years - with petty electronics problems. The dubious award for worst electronics (other than Lucas) goes to VW, in my opinion!
Cars (any cars) are like women - if you take care of them they last a long time! LOL
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subiesailor - you must be kidding, right? Volvo by far has not such a dubious reputation as you are saying. As a matter fact some of V70s had much better reliability record than VW. Most Volvo's electronics in designed by Bosch and Ate of Germany. So, by your conlusion, Bosch and Ate are the worst electronic components in the auto industry. LOL ... 80% of fuel injection components in European and Asian cars are designed and made by Bosch or Ate (including your OB)!
I had quite a few Volvos in my lifetime; they are on par with most European makes - average!
Any shop that does repair on VW (I guess with the exception of S.F. Bay area) can tell you the pathetic reliability of the VW, especially those, assembled in Mexico. I traded in my 2010 Tdi VW SportWagon for Subaru few years back because of continuous petty "electronic" problems. My wife's Passat was in and out of VW shop for years - with petty electronics problems. The dubious award for worst electronics (other than Lucas) goes to VW, in my opinion!
Cars (any cars) are like women - if you take care of them they last a long time! LOL
Who Ever said VW was considered reliable? I sure as **** never said that...

If you think the old Volvos are the same as the newer cars... LOL only person your kidding is your self.
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My point is that Volvos do not have the "worst" electronic components in auto industry.
When in comes to VW - I misread your post, sorry my friend!
And, likewise, I never said that Volvos are the same as newer cars...LOL... no kidding myself here....
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The Volvo design, while extremely safe, it outdated from a driving dynamics and ergonomic perspective. As the auto business becomes more and more competitive, Volvo didn't have the volume to spread their R&D around after they were sold by Ford.

If you add the high initial cost, plus the extremely high maintenance cost (of both parts and labor) , plus the poor mileage and lackluster performance of Volvos, you have a very limited market.

As a former Volvo owner, I loved the car but was always dismayed when parts cost 3x more than Japanese brands. Volvo was always the world leader in safety technology, but that gap is gone.

You can get an outback loaded for 30K, which is 10-15K less than a Volvo comparable Volvo, just as safe, drives better, and has a much lower cost of ownership.
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I agree here; Volvo's R&D now depends on Chinese money and it is not what it used to be. I worked for Saab's R&D and we shared some testing facilities in AZ and CO for a while - testing future camouflaged prototypes. The labor costs in Scandinavia and Finland was (and still is) very high!
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jogosub: funny how I can not read your post without imagining an accent to match your avatar
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I could change my avatar to a Viking (or a Moose) - but I like Osho better! LOL Why don't you put an avatar to your Blanco?
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Lol!
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Pretty sure Osho drove a Rolls... How to they compare to Subaru and Volvo?
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