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Old 03-28-2012, 12:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i need help in deciding what to do with my wife subaru. the engine overheated and I need to replaced. I am in southern California and other than going to the dealer and buying a new engine, which is out of my budget, I don't know where to find an alternate solution. I have been told by a remanufacturer engine place that they generally try to stay away from subaru engines. My other choice seems to be the junk yard, where I have been quoted $1,300 for a used engine, out of the vehicle and with one month warranty, and no way of knowing the engine condition or the miles on the car were it came from. Another local mechanic found an engine for $1,500 with three months warranty, and he will installed for $500, with his work also covered if the engine is not good. there is no info on mileage either, but he said that this shop test the compression on the engine, check the oil pump and replace it if necessary, and will put in a new timing belt. Can anyone help me with this? I do want to keep the outback, it has been a solid car so far, and my wife doesn't mind either, in fact, I can say that she will miss it if we have to go another route. I am on my last payment for my car and will hate to start over with a new car payment. Any help or direction will be appreciated, sorry for the long post,
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How badly did the engine overheat? Are you sure it needs replacing?

One option:
Remanufactured Subaru Engines

Good rep. Might seem pricey at first, but cost fully installed is less than a down payment on a new car.

Another option:
Low Mileage Subaru Engines
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how many miles are on this car?

how long have you had the car? how much did you pay?

i like the replacement engine, $1500, and installed for $500. when the timing belt is done have everything replaced that the belt touches. a failure of any one of these parts can cause engine damage, $$$$.

BUT, you really need to give us a lot more info about the problems you are now having befroe a good decision can be made.

who said you should replace the engine?

why did it over heat?

what is the service history of the engine?
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I was told by the first mechanic I visited that if the car overheated, there is no way of knowing how bad it was, and that doing a head job would require taking the engine out, so he would not recommend that, instead he recommended replacing the engine. the car overheated twice, I drove it 30 miles and when I got to my destination the engine stopped. I park it and did not notice anything wrong, I though it was the battery. I left the car there, came back three hours later, started it and drove it home, about 5 miles from home, it stopped again. I had it toll and check it when I got home. the was almost no water in the radiator and it needed about two quartz of oil. I drove it to my mechanic and then back home. filling it with water and letting it cool. the engine is running, but the engine light is on and the mechanic said the code was an issue with the piston #2.
I am not looking at the least expensive solution, but also can't afford the dealer, or the subaru specialist that want $6k to put a rebuilt engine. (I was quoted that much already). I am looking for a middle of the road solution (rebuilt maybe?) that will let me use the car for a couple more years, for maybe $2 to 3K? I do not want to get an engine that may turn out to be worst that what I had. I appreciate any more ideas, and thanks for the help!
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i suggest you look foe an engine, ej25, 96 - 04, with a busted timing belt. have the shop put your heads and intake, all new timing parts including ALL idlers and the water pump and have it installed.

depending on your circumstances, you may be able to save some $$ by buying and delivering the engine yourself. look on Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market, you will have to search each year, (96, 97, 98) and model (legacy GT, outback, impreza) separately. also check craigslist.com by using SearchTempest - The EASY way to search Craigslist . this will let you a certain distance from home.

the busted timing belt pretty much tells you the engine was running when the belt failed. and it PROBABLY wasn't over heating at that time. the danger / risk with over heating as that it can cook the rod bearings causing a failure.

96 - 99 ej25 blocks are interchangeable with 00 - 04 ej25 blocks.

this set up should give you the best possible solution without going all the way to a rebuilt engine.but as you know it does not take long to run up a $1000 labor bill at dealers rates.
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One option:
Remanufactured Subaru Engines

Good rep. Might seem pricey at first, but cost fully installed is less than a down payment on a new car.

Another option:
Low Mileage Subaru Engines
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Sorry, don't know what you mean, is this a link to another post? thanks for all the suggestions and the help.
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I meant the links in the post I quoted. Look there. Quality parts.
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Today I learned more details about the option of having a mechanic that was recommended to me install a used engine from a recycling yard. the deals is like this. the mechanic orders the engine from the yard he usually works with, and he installs it. the engine is $1.5K and he charges $500 for the installation, with a warranty of 100 days, including his labor to replace the engine if needed. According to the salvage yard, the compression on the engine tested at 165 hp on all cylinders, however, there is no record of how many miles the engine has and the model it came from is a 2001 Outback, which he says will fit my 2002 outback. they deliver the engine with a new water pump, oil pump, and the timing belt.
Here's where it gets estrange for me, and where I need your help: when I asked the mechanic if he would replace the head gaskets,(just in case the one's in the engine are ready to go or may fail shortly after the warranty period), he said flatly that he would not do it, because doing so would void the warranty. Am I being unreasonable. I do not expect him to do it for the same price, and I explained this to him, he still said he would not recommend doing it and he said that it was better to leave the engine "untouch". to me this seems like he is just trying to do a good enough job so the engine last the warranty period and then if anything else happens, then it in not his problem. We decided to wait till Monday to ask the salvage yard if they are willing to do this, but I do not have high hopes that they will agree to do it either. Am I being unreasonable here? should I rely on the advice of this mechanic and just install the engine as is? PLEASE, I NEED YOUR OPINION....
I did check the links offered, the one in Colorado offers the rebuilt engine for $4K, with 3 yr warranty, and the Japanese low mileage engine from EngineUS is about $2K with with 1 yr warranty.

I need to decide by Monday, or my wife is going to kill me,

thanks again from all your help.
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the cost of replacing the head gaskets before you install the engine is going to add at least $1000 to the price, maybe $1500. that MAY put the cost of the job in a different category. $3k - $3.5k instead of $2k. CCR isn't so high any more.

if i was doing the job myself, i would replace the head gaskets if there was any indication of gasket seepage at all. but i would be doing the work my self it would only add the cost of the parts.
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