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Old 01-15-2005, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm writing on behalf of a friend who owns an '04 Outback with a problem.

When the temperature falls below about 25, ice forms on the interior of her windows, to the point where she has to scrape the windows or run the heat for ten minutes.

The car is outside all of the time (no garage).

The dealer has been no help.

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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but (my only dislike of Subarus) I'm guessing she wouldn't be having this problem if she owned a car that had proper window frames on the doors - to seal the windows to the door, and the doors to the interior..... (like that new 7-passenger Subaru thingy does, for example, despite all the benefits that frameless windows apparently offer )

I get mist/occasional light frost on the edges of the insides of my windows of my 02 OBS, even on the back windows which are rolled up all the time.

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Old 01-15-2005, 09:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i dont think it has anything to do with the window frames.i bet her car mats and or carpet were wet. interior humidity
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I'll check with her about the floor mats.

For her the real problem is the extent of the moisture forms and then ices. My '05 OB fogs up when the humidity rises, the temperature drops, and the car is full of people. Then I have to turn on the AC to clear it.

But no Subaru I've owned has had window frames, and yet I've never seen the likes of this: the moisture comes when she gets out and she the car overnight or at work for the day. It's like she needs a dehumidifier inside her car.

The dealer allegedly checked the hoses, the condenser, etc.
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OK, I agree, it probably isn't the lack of window frames in this case. My comments were probably unnecessary... my dislike of their absence has been documented elsewhere and I just couldn't resist the jab

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I've had that happen to me int he past, usually with older cars. it is defnitely caused by excess moisture accumulating somehwere inside. The most likely culprit is wet carpetting.
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Make sure that the outdoor air selector is on instead of the recirc button also. On the HVAC system. Also when the air is heated in the cabin, and then you let the vehicle sit outside when it is cold, the air condenses and can show up on windows and such.

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Brian's point about the outdoor air button is right on. I've had that problem when I've forgotten to reset it from recirculation. The other time I have excess moisture build up is when driving with wet dogs in the back. It seems to take a long time for alll that humidity to dissipate, even after the dogs are out of the car. I turn full heat on from the front vents, and open the rear windows or sunroof for a few miles. That seems to solve it; if not, I'd get down and feel carefully around the carpeting/rubber mats throughout the car. Even a cup of water tipped over at some point can take a long time to dry up in winter months
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Default water under winter mats

The first winter I had my new Outback, I discovered that water from melting snow on my left shoe would end up under the winter floor mat, instead of being captured by the winter mat.

The mat doesn't cover the rubber foot pad on the left side, snow melts due to the warm air blowing on your feet, and the water runs down the pad and into the carpet UNDER the mat.

My solution has been to put a piece of a towel under the edges of the mat and on top of the foot pad. The melting snow is mostly caught in the towel, and dries off later. Any that soaks in under the mat in the towel wicks back out later and evaporates.

Not a pretty solution, but it works OK.

Maybe this is the source of your moisture in the cabin.
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Default Ice on the inside

I live in the snowbelt and suffer the same problem. I can confirm, that it is most likely moisture between the carpet and matting. I've tried several things in the past but here are a few tricks:

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2.Use No-Fog Windex on the interior glass (it works)
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