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Old 03-24-2011, 05:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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These forums are great and I have been able to get much farther into my own repairs than I ever thought possible, so thanks everyone for that. But, I've hit a snag that I think is beyond my abilities.

I have a 2003 OBW Limited, 4 cyl, automatic, 119,000 miles. I have been hearing a speed dependent whine for a couple of months now. It's not brakes (just replaced those) and it doesn't change with the speed of the engine or if the car is in neutral. Thought it might be differential, but fluid didn't appear toasted, other thought was wheel bearing. I changed the transmission fluid anyway, but that didn't help. Long story short, took it in today and the dealer said it was the ring and pinion in the front differential. They want $2400 to rebuild it. Another shop recommended dropping in an entire used transmission with 59k miles on it. My transmission has been working fine, shifting smoothly, no troubles.

I hoping that someone with a bit more experience with these matters might be able to offer some advice. Is rebuilding better if the tranny seems good? Is it worth it to just drop in a whole new (used) tranny? Thanks in advance and sorry for the long winded post.
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Old 03-24-2011, 05:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Really I think it comes down to cost. There is no need to replace the transmission, but the labor of pulling apart the transmission vs dropping in a used one might not be that far off. If it's a few hundred dollars difference, then it might be better to just get the used one.
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You changed the trans fluid or the diff oil or both ?

It is not shared in the auto
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Both trans fluid (and filter) and diff fluid have been changed. Dealer diagnosed it as "Ring and Pinion Faulty". The dealer seems to think that there won't be other surprises when they tear it apart to rebuild the bad ring and pinion, but I'm a little worried about it.

Another shop wants about $2,000 to drop in the used tranny with 59K on it.
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Yea, and there's the reason. In these cases, it does usually make more sense to just drop in a used one. I would be nervous about the dealership opening up the trans. There are just too many things in there that they can say are failing that will bring the price way up. For all you know there could be something else wearing out in there. If it were me, I'd just do the swap. It is simple and there is less room to tack things on.
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Yes. 2000 for a used one is NUTS installed.

get a price from a wrecking yard for a used tranny yourself then see how much the dealer is charging for the repair.

Remeber transmission shops are the spawn of satan and should be avoided.
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How hard is it to replace an Auto tranny in an outback? Or in other words, can it be done in a weekend. Im pretty mechanical (being a small engine mechanic) but I am new to subarus and most of my experience is in older cars and trucks. My girlfriend had this same problem is her OBW. She had a speed dependent whine and then shortly afterwards, the tranny went out. Not sure if it was related but here we sit in need of a new transmission. Got a couple quotes from a local and dependable shop (not a tranny shop). He said he could do it for approx $1400 for a used transmission with labor or $2400 for a rebuilt one. Third option is I could do it myself, but how do you know your buying a good used transmission. Thanks for the thoughts, suggestions, and help.

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Maybe some ideas for a trans in this thread. Most reputable wreckers will give you a short warranty to verify that the part is good, people don't generally return good parts ... especially parts that are a PITA to R&R.

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Thanks for the thread link. Good to know resources in there, sad to see that Aarrons Auto Wreaking went out of business.

So we decided to go with the used tranny and have the indipendent shop performe the work since I do not have a garage/shop of my own and work keeps me really busy, I also have a motorcycle project that needs to get done aswell! Plus I know the owner of the shop will stand behind his work and gives a fair price. $1200-$1400 with labor isnt too bad I think
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UPDATE: Against some of the advice from folks on this forum, I ended up taking my car to a transmission specialist. Like the dealer they diagnosed it as a bad ring and pinion, but the fix was $1100...cheapest I had found. Being short of cash that was my best option. They pulled it apart and it turns out the ring and pinion were fine, it was the pinion bearings. They replaced them with OEM bearings and no more noise and the tranny is shifting fine. I had them flush the tranny (I had changed about 1/2 the fluid and filter, but figured it wouldn't hurt) and also replace the rear diff fluid while they had it up on the lift. So, perhaps I found a good transmission place. The bearings were a cheaper part too, so it was a cheaper fix than anticipated. Still lots of labor (9.5 hours), so it isn't too cheap of a fix regardless.
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