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Old 11-16-2012, 12:35 PM   #61 (permalink)
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susiemk, I was giggling at your assertion of dangerousness. They're no such thing, though I'm aware that many people now struggle to comprehend how to exist without a vehicle that has to haul around no more than 10 - 15 lbs/hp (...or without a cellular telephone, or a satellite radio and television, or a laptop computer, or... LOL!).
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Couple of things CVT has a HUGE! impact on mountain performance heck even towing performance - I've racked up 40K on our CVT with the 2.5 and my last subaru was the 2.5 with the 5spd MT. The CVT has made a HUGE difference in the power/performance factor.

Also this new FB engine generates power in a very different way than the old engine. It has far more power at lower RPM's tied to a CVT I actually would put money on it that the new car is WAY WAY FAR superior to the old one in that regard. I know my OB is WAY WAY superior to my old one regarding what your thinking.

As for mileage the new FB engine is a massive ground up redesign and the CVT is also a big impact on mileage its self. Again even with the Outback running the older less efficient engine the mileage difference between the old car and the new one is quite large.

I can understand why people would feel the way you do having never driven the new Subarus with the new engines and CVT's but having lived with one for 40K now and having put 180,000 on the old subaru - I can tell you yes there is a pretty big difference in performance and mileage capability.

Can not agree more
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:08 PM   #63 (permalink)
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125's are not slow off the line - the XV will pass you about the time you reach 50mph

My 650 scooter could out run a stock WRX till we hit 85-90mph too. But the WRX driver was always dry and warm vs me being wet and cold in the winter on the scooter.

If you want a fast XV - wait a year or two and subaru will offer it with a 2L DI turbo engine
I have a Zuma 125 - pretty sure I can take a XV light to light (on a nice sunny day)...
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:12 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I have a Zuma 125 - pretty sure I can take a XV light to light (on a nice sunny day)...
Not while transporting your wife - dog - and two kids. Come on it can be done I have coworkers in India who do it every day!
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:15 PM   #65 (permalink)
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susiemk, I was giggling at your assertion of dangerousness. They're no such thing, though I'm aware that many people now struggle to comprehend how to exist without a vehicle that has to haul around no more than 10 - 15 lbs/hp (...or without a cellular telephone, or a satellite radio and television, or a laptop computer, or... LOL!).

I believe in power to weight ratios of 10lbs/hp or better - for safety's sake ...

I tune a friend's car with a good power to weight ratio of 2250Lbs / 730WHP (876chp) = 2.57lbs/HP - its a very safe car...

HW merge = no problem as it can accelerate from 0-131MPH in 5.2x seconds - 1/8th mile distance; 0-161MPH in 8.41 seconds - 1/4 mile of distance.

Note: Said friend thinks 10lbs/hp cars are too slow to be safe.
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I believe in power to weight ratios of 10lbs/hp or better - for safety's sake ...

I tune a friend's car with a good power to weight ratio of 2250Lbs / 730WHP (876chp) = 2.57lbs/HP - its a very safe car...

HW merge = no problem as it can accelerate from 0-131MPH in 5.2x seconds - 1/8th mile distance; 0-161MPH in 8.41 seconds - 1/4 mile of distance.

Note: Said friend thinks 10lbs/hp cars are to slow to be safe.
No car is safe if you compare the statistics of vehicle deaths to all other modes of transportation. Which case with his logic he should be walking
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Not while transporting your wife - dog - and two kids. Come on it can be done I have coworkers in India who do it every day!
Good point - XV got my vote (if the alternative is a scooter).
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No car is safe if you compare the statistics of vehicle deaths to all other modes of transportation. Which case with his logic he should be walking
Walking is slower than an XV - if this is the alternative the XV has my vote again..
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Wow, I just test drove the Crosstrek and to say it's slow is an understatement! The salesman balked when I said the CVT seemed not to work at all like our 13 Outback. He pulled out his phone and timed me accelerating to 60, 17 seconds with the pedal to the floor all the way. When my wife and I were in the market for our Outback we felt the same about the 12"s CVT, it just seemed to race like a slipping clutch, 13's are much improved! I think I'll wait until the next gen. CVT. Also for a 24000 dollar car they really should paint the engine bay and underfloor instead of just primer. There's a lot to like even more to dislike! Anyone else who has test driven or owns feel the same way?

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i have a '12 impreza. for how expensive it is, i have limited, car should have power front seats. subaru doesn't put hood struts on or defrosted side mirrors, shame on you subaru, our '08 OBS had them.
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