I love mine on my 02. Much better than the Michelins I replaced. Quiet and competent in all weather conditions. Highly recommended. I got mine at a great price too, $98 a tire.
I have a set on my 09 forester limited. I think i paid 139 for 225/55/17 H rated. I currently have about 12,000 miles on the set. they are quiet compared to other tires, give good traction in all conditions so far. I have not had them in the snow yet.
Tire Rack has the best price; but there is a $150 difference between V and H speed ratings. Any opinions on whether I'll notice any significant difference? I would describe myself as a spirited hwy. driver; but I'm not going to approach those speeds.
You may find difficulty having a non OEM speed rating installed. Many places will not do that to protect themselves from any liability of using an "inferior" part.
Buy the H speed rated tire. You have absolutely no use for a V speed rated tire, and a V speed rated tire will not normally last as long as an H due to its softer tread compound.
There are advantages to higher speed rated tires besides top end speed.
Higher speed rated tires generally have stiffer sidewalls and will handle better in turns. They will also handle better under harsh braking scenarios for similar reasons. I generally would go V rated if given the choice.
Very true, but you are talking about a Subaru Outback here, NOT a sports car. A V-speed rated tire of the same make/brand as an H-speed rated tire will make a negligible difference in overall handling on an Outback because the chassis and center of gravity are the limiting factors.
Hey, all. Hope you don't mind me hijacking an old thread, but I just bought a set of these (in H speed) for my '14 OB 2.5i. 47K on the Contis, and they were near bald.
I put these on and immediately noticed how quiet they were compared to the old tires. However, I noticed my MPG has dropped upwards of 3MPG over three tanks of gas so far. One of the features I liked about the P7s was that they had a low rolling resistance compound. Not seeing it.
When I slightly over-inflated my Contis, the wiggling and wobbling during a ride basically went away. And by over-inflating, I mean I brought the tires up to around 41psi (on standard Premium rims). You know what I can't find anywhere on the Pirellis? Inflation recommendations! What the heck am I supposed to ride these at? One lone website (actually, I think it was a forum entry here) said they're made to run at '2 bars', which calculates to about 29.5psi. I'm wondering if that's why my MPG has dropped; dealer had these sitting at 32psi.
I have been running mine at 34 PSI. My mileage is abominable because I have the 3.0-liter engine. I noticed no change when I got these tires. I still love these tires, great in the rain and snow!
UPDATE: Well, a nice sunny day had me fixing the pressure in my tractor's tires, and I looked over at my Outback and said to myself, "Self, today you're going to figure out the best tire pressure for these Pirellis." I nodded agreement.
Then I bent down to read all of the verbiage again on the tire (gotta be the fifth time now), and something looked different. I had gone down a gravel road yesterday, and the tires were quite dusty. Finally, I was able to read the tiny four-line statement which looked like a legal clause. And in that clause, I found: "blah blah blah not to exceed 40 PSI."
Ta-dah! So immediately I pumped them all up to 38 PSI.
I know, that'll probably wear them down faster, but I'm doing this for one tank of gas (as I need to fill up tonight). Then I'll drop them to 36 for the next tank. I'll try to post MPG numbers here as the weeks go.
But dang, this is the worst labeled tire I think I've ever owned (30 years of owning and driving in the Midwest). Most will put that note in a highlighted area in large type. This type size is probably 8pt or less, and in all-caps, AND black raised rubber on black rubber. Ridiculous.
UPDATE:
Then I bent down to read all of the verbiage again on the tire (gotta be the fifth time now), and something looked different. I had gone down a gravel road yesterday, and the tires were quite dusty. Finally, I was able to read the tiny four-line statement which looked like a legal clause. And in that clause, I found: "blah blah blah not to exceed 40 PSI."
Well, a few tankfuls in with the tires running at 38PSI... and the MPG hasn't gone up at all. I'm getting an average under 26.5MPG now, where I've been running 28.5 MPG average for the past two years with the Continentals.
I think this is just a heavier tire all around. It definitely rides better with the higher PSI, so I'll keep it there. Just don't be surprised if your MPG drops after switching to these.
I'll try hard to remember to update ride info in the winter months coming up. More than anything, I bought these hoping to get good traction in the wet snow we see a lot of in Michigan.
I'll be putting a set of these shortly on my 2013 2.5 Premium.
Seeing winter has been not too bad, just with exception of latest storm, but mild none-the-less.
I did review between the Premier AS and the P7's and went with the P7's due to all of the reviews between Tire Rack and other sites. They are H rated as this is an Outback not the 997 C2S, which one rear tire goes for $700.00+ :surprise:
Waiting for appointment with dealer as I have other items to deal with and they have a Hunter GSP9700 wheel/tire road force balancer. Plus, need alignment as well. I advise anyone getting tires done look for the Hunter GSP9700 to get the best balance.
OMG, I've really been running them low!!! Yeah, the mileage on the car has suffered drastically. I took the car in to our Subaru dealer to get its 60000mi tuneup (I had 52K on it, and missed the 36K one), and when I drove out I had to find a gas station immediately because they dropped the PSI to 25, and the drive sucked. Thanks for that heads-up on the PSI!
So I'm getting about 350-365mi on a tankful of 87 octane now (Michigan winter blend), so about 23MPG, pretty crappy for mixed city/highway driving. In the summer, on the Contis, I was hitting 27MPG+ with no problems.
I'm going to hit those bad boys with a bit more air in the morning, as we're being dumped on tonight (1"/hr so far, supposedly more like 2"/hr tomorrow). A bit of thinner profile might help. Now if only I could permanently bypass the stability control...
Found these P7's are a bit sensitive on PSI. The fronts were at 34.5. Dropped to 32.5 and feels better for ride quality.
Road force balance is a must with these!
Rears now at 31.5.
I'll see how the MPG does, but for now, it seems better and I drive a lot of highway/parkway routes through the day.
Sure makes me want to put the 19mm RSB on the Outback and the Kartboy endlinks. Getting a whole lot of crosswinds due to storms and it impacted the tracking of the Outback. Remember, it's a high vehicle so it's expected, but ****...
Those that did the RSB all rave on how much better it drives in wind.
I just put a set of Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus (Grand Touring All-Season) on 2 weeks ago and I love them. Tons of snow traction now, the anti lock barely comes on at all now. They may ride a little harder than the stock tires, but I need to play with the pressure. Tire Rack set them at the PSI that was on the door tag.
Well, I made it through the winter (really quite mild for Michigan, but we did have a couple of good storms which dumped 12-14" on us at once), and I'm not 100% sold on buying these tires again. Truthfully, they didn't feel like they had much more traction on slippery surfaces than the original Contis did when I bought the car. In deep wet snow, they were quite good, but I've had BFGoodrich Traction T/As on a Vibe AWD which felt they had TONS more traction. Unfortunately, I don't think BFG makes those any longer.
I've ran for awhile with the tires at 38, then for one storm I dropped them to 34 for testing, no difference (38 felt a bit less slippy). At 34, I'm rolling all over the place on dry grooved pavement, so I just put them back up to 38 with good tracking restored. I'm nervous to go any higher, though...
So for the extra $$$, I have to say I don't think these have been worth it for me. On the other hand, after tons of research looking for tires for my wife's 2006 Honda Odyssey, I ended up with {cringe} Continental PureContact tires, and we both agreed that these have been the best she's had on it so far (with the Hankook Optimo H727 running a FAR second). Really quiet, grippy in snow, track well in slushy snow (the most popular in MI), and the best performer I've seen on wet.
Am I alone on not really digging the Cinturato set?
I have no driving experience with these, but there seems to be a variety of different Cinturatos. I was recently in Europe where I noticed a relative had Cinturato all seasons with the 3 peak mountain snowflake logo which is somewhat curious because that rating seems to be a North American type rating. Not sure whether those were the P7. Back in the US I stopped by Discount Tires and asked whether the Cinturatos they are selling have the 3 peak logo which apparently they do not. I found this page in the UK that talks about Cinturato all seasons having the 3 peak logo but it doesn't explicitly mention P7. I guess Cinturato "All Season" (proper) is different than Cinturato "P7" or else the selection of Cinturatos in Europe is different than in the US.
FWIW
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