| Juan |
| I don't know why it happens but every time I see a bone stock Honda Civic with a "Type R" badge or other ricey enhancements my out loud voice says "there's goes a ricer" (I can't control it, it just comes out :8: like Tourettes) This is followed by my wife telling me that calling a car "a ricer" is racist. Tell me that she is wrong, please. I have a problem with racists, but no one has every called me politically correct. |
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| pepperface |
| it's not a ricer if the car doesn't have some kind of dookie wing, juan. my mom makes fun of those dookie wings... but getting back to the point it's not like you are calling the driver some kind of racist slur like redneck (you can place more than that here)... |
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| Brucey |
You're a racist. :rolleyes:
Making certain words off limits for certain cultures further divides the ethnic barriers that people have fought so hard to get rid of, and as far as I'm concerned, holds us back as a society. |
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| dvl |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism - Racism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
You are referring to a car. Not a person. Racism has nothing to do with cars. |
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| 95snowagon |
| you have a silly wife |
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| rsrocket1 |
Would you be offended if you passed by someone and he turned to his wife and said "there goes a beaner"?.
If not, then don't worry about it. |
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| 95snowagon |
well, you call the CAR rice therefore you have your RICEr.
When you call a passing car a beaner you most likely refer to the mexican inside.
Unless theres a new term out for modding cars. 13" Wire rims, cloth dashboard trim with excessive lights all over the place, last name in old english across the back window...could be considered beaned out ride I suppose :rolleyes: |
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| BrnHrnt |
| Like it or not the term "Ricer" and even "Jap" for that matter can and have been used in a derogatory manner. Judging from the context of your post I don't think you're using the term in a positive manner, i.e. "Hey Honey, I really can't wait to trade the Subie in for a Ricer just like that!". So using "Ricer" in a such a fashion can perpetuate the negative connotations associated with the word. Although you may not use the term in a racist way or have a racist bone in your body, the term is insensitive at best. If they were made in Detroit and you called them ricers there wouldn't be an issue. But rice happens (like beans) to be a main staple food of the indigenous population where the cars have originated from. (Yes I know my Outback was made right here in the good old USofA.) Surely there is a better descriptor for those POS large winged automobiles that cause such derision (Subies excluded of course! ;) ). |
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| rockhopjohn |
| Ricer is not a racist term unless you are applying it to a specific ethnic group. It certainly has its roots in a specific culture, but I don't think you are using it as a derogatory term for asians; you are relating the term to the style of car modifications, and probably don't expect any one race of person to be behind the wheel. I have seen "ricers" of all colors and creeds, so when I use it, it is simply a stereotype. I am betting you mean it in the same way. |
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| xcgates |
I agree with rockhopjohn, when I use the term ricer, its referring to someone who has done very stereotypical things to their car including a cheesy paint job, flashy bolt on "wing", wheels worth more than the car, stereo worth more than the car, fart can muffler, etc.
And by no means is this constrained to a specific ethnic groups. I see all types of people who think this makes a good car. I happen to not like these cars, but I see them with all types of people, in all types of places. From the city to the country. I just happen to see those who drive them as very... strange in my humble opinion. |
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| Ole DW |
quote: Originally posted by xcgates
I agree with rockhopjohn, when I use the term ricer, its referring to someone who has done very stereotypical things to their car including a cheesy paint job, flashy bolt on "wing", wheels worth more than the car, stereo worth more than the car, fart can muffler, etc.
And by no means is this constrained to a specific ethnic groups. I see all types of people who think this makes a good car. I happen to not like these cars, but I see them with all types of people, in all types of places. From the city to the country. I just happen to see those who drive them as very... strange in my humble opinion. | |
But why the term "ricer?" Is it because the car runs on rice? Or is it because rice is a staple of Japanese cuisine? You are kidding yourself if you believe using "ricer" is not a term born of an ethnic stereotype. |
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| rockhopjohn |
quote: Originally posted by Ole DW
But why the term "ricer?" Is it because the car runs on rice? Or is it because rice is a staple of Japanese cuisine? You are kidding yourself if you believe using "ricer" is not a term born of an ethnic stereotype. | |
No one is debating that, and if you go back and read my post, which he referenced you would have seen that I made mention of "ricer" having origins relating to a specific ethnic group, but that use of the term wasn't making any implications about the race of the driver themselves. |
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| Ole DW |
quote: Originally posted by rockhopjohn
No one is debating that, and if you go back and read my post, which he referenced you would have seen that I made mention of "ricer" having origins relating to a specific ethnic group, but that use of the term wasn't making any implications about the race of the driver themselves. | |
Yes, i read your quote. i'm not trying to get PC here--i'm just saying the term is born of a pejorative origin, and even if applied to the car or other inanimate object, its a term that has an ethnic origin that is being used disparagingly. it just doesn't pass the "smell" test for me. |
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| xcgates |
quote: Originally posted by Ole DW
But why the term "ricer?" Is it because the car runs on rice? Or is it because rice is a staple of Japanese cuisine? You are kidding yourself if you believe using "ricer" is not a term born of an ethnic stereotype. | |
To be honest, I have never even thought about it in a "racist" term. I learned about and used it in terms of "oh, there goes another ricer" meaning "oh, there goes another grossly tacky honda civic or other universal japanese import. The CAR is the definition, it being a Japanese import.
You know, cars can be stereotypically Japanse, stereotypically German, stereotypically Italian, stereotypically American, stereotypically .
Why does everyone have to assume something bad is meant.
I remember a big deal made over a local radio host where I live that made a crack about wondering if the zoo knew their monkey (the mayor) had escaped. All of a sudden, instead of thinking, oh, he just called the mayor an idiot for doing something stupid, its "HE'S A BLOODY FREAKIN' RACIST CALLING FOR VIOLENCE ON ANYONE WHO IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN!" And they promptly got him fired for a few months.
My point being that I, as a relatively young person, never thought anything racist connected with calling someone someone an animal, and never would have known anything different, had people not assumed the guy was a bastard.
Are we assuming the worst out of every person, and every word out of their mouth, taking offense at everything? |
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| Button |
quote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism - Racism, by its simplest definition is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. | |
In my opinion, I wouldn't give any info obtain from Wikipedia any credence. If you wrote a paper or published an essay & used Wikipedia as a source . . . nobody would take you seriously.
Regards,
~Button |
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| AWDFTW |
quote: Originally posted by Ole DW
But why the term "ricer?" Is it because the car runs on rice? Or is it because rice is a staple of Japanese cuisine? You are kidding yourself if you believe using "ricer" is not a term born of an ethnic stereotype. | |
Because many "riced out" cars started out as base level import Japanese cars that are being made to look like top of the line racing models, very poorly? |
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| xcgates |
quote: Originally posted by AWDFTW
Because many "riced out" cars started out as base level import Japanese cars that are being made to look like top of the line racing models, very poorly? | |
Exactly, though there is a riced out Mustang on my campus, which made me cry when I saw what had been done to it. :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: |
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| ETC |
rac⋅ism
/ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
how about a dictionary site ? ... he's not writing a thesis ... it's a post.
these days anything said in a derogatory manner can be construed as racism, there's always someone out there waiting to "play the race card".
most people people i've met or seen who are racists skip the ambiguous comments and use the clearest, deepest cutting language available to their usually feeble minds.
most of the kids that drive those cars around here are either white or hispanic, doubt they would be offended personally by that term.
i've ridden japanese bikes all my life, variously called rice rockets, crotch rockets, sake rockets, etc ... most terms i assume originated from harley riders and just became common use. the strange thing in this case is that most people that rode them, used the terms but, they were more of positive thing. the term rice rocket applied to a bike that handled well, was fast,technically advanced, was reliable etc, it was used to differentiate it from harleys that most viewed as being crude, outdated and generally of poor build quality.
guess what i'm saying is, just because some view a comment as racist doesn't mean that all that use the word view it the same or say it with any racist intention. |
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| Button |
ETC,
Anybody can modify data on Wikipedia.
Regards,
~Button |
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| dvl |
quote: Originally posted by Button
In my opinion, I wouldn't give any info obtain from Wikipedia any credence. If you wrote a paper or published an essay & used Wikipedia as a source . . . nobody would take you seriously.
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Regardless of whether or not you respect Wikipedia, the definition fits. |
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| outbackredux |
| Racism cannot be fairly judged based on one comment. What a lot of nothing. |
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| Juan |
quote: Originally posted by outbackredux
Racism cannot be fairly judged based on one comment. What a lot of nothing. | |
Google ricer and you will find 1.25 million comments. The question isn't am I racist, the question is calling a style of car modification ricer based on racism? |
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| hunterlord |
calling a car a pontiac is racist. poor old............... you know the rest. |
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| 95snowagon |
We gotta remember some people are completely ignorant to pop-culture. They are most likely the ones writting their congressmen n such.
IMO People try too hard to dissect things instead of taking them for face value. |
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| ETC |
quote: Originally posted by hunterlord
calling a car a pontiac is racist. poor old n#%##% thinks its a cadillac. i'm soory for you cowards that wont admit their racism. i'm a racist. the world is full of diferrent races all diferrent. some are stronger some are fatter and some are dumber. we are all not equal so take your socially engineered brain and flush it claen and think for yourself. | |
funny how people try to drag everyone down to their level.
grouping and judging people based only on their race is the epitome of ignorance
i've never looked ... is there an ignore feature on this site ? |
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