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post #11 of 29 (permalink) Old 01-23-2019, 06:40 PM
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If I open the door with the engine running, NO Chimes.
If i shut the engine OFF, and then open the door, i get the Chimes.
Just opening the door won't cause it to chime when the engine is running. But ... if you walk away from the car with the key fob and it's running, it'll chime at you. I hear it all the time when I'm running in to grab a D-tag.

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Many years ago, a family I know was totally wiped out because of their car left running in the garage which was under the house.
TLDR; Park outside.

There are a number of things to unpack in your question, but to me, the line quoted above is the key. A lot has changed since "many years ago." The most important of which are auto exhaust systems and building codes. The upside of this is that modern vehicles, especially those that are PZEVs, have reduced the overall pollutant (including carbon monoxide or CO) emissions at the tailpipe compared to vehicles of even 20 years ago. So it's quite possible you could leave your vehicle running in your garage for days with limited risk to members of the household.

Add to this building codes which were changed in the wake of tragedies such as the one you describe, and even if a deadly concentration of gas were to build up in a garage, if the house was built in the last decade, and was built properly, then sealed drywall joints and electrical boxes, weatherstripping on entry doors, and vapor barriers behind the drywall should prevent the ingress of fumes into the home.

So, should you leave a car running, the chances of it wiping out a family as it would have in 1980 are very small. Building upon this foundation, it seems likely that if you live in a modern house you could mitigate the risk to a low level simply by ventilating your garage. Thus, if your concern is really mitigating the risk of killing your family by leaving the car running, the answer is probably, in order of simplicity:
  1. Park outside. (I haven't parked a car in a garage in 35 years, even in New England winters.)
  2. Leave a window open in the garage.
  3. Adjust your garage door to leave a gap for ventilation.
  4. Install a constantly running ventilation fan to exhaust air from the garage.

As others have said, you can also install CO detectors in the home, but frankly, if you are parking after a long enough drive to have a hot catalytic converter you are likely producing more CO2 than CO so a detector would be less effective than you might think, but put one in the garage and one in the house anyway. One article on this phenomenon noted a state medical examiner who said, "If we find victims of this, there is never a CO detector."

If, however, your question is really a mental justification for how to work around the keyless ignition system and simply parking outside isn't acceptable, then you're into the realm of behavior modification and you really need to set up a system that guarantees success. You alluded to the house key being attached to the car key a feature. So perhaps you can adopt a method for putting your house key on top of the Subaru start button. Maybe you just glue a hook there and reaching for the key requires you to press the button. Maybe you add a big sign on the garage wall that asks "Is the car off?" But somehow you need to create a kind of interlock that prevents entry into the dwelling before pressing the button to turn the car off.

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The suggestions from @GrumpySquatch are all good, but I place the in-house CO detector in position #1.

My take - with more and more cars on the market with computerized wifi-enabled engine start features, manufacturers rapidly expanding code complexity and size, evolving new software features, updating software often, and at times probably not adequately stressing their new code, and finally more penetration of hybrids into the market that can mask "engine on" status, it's only a matter of time before a car is going to be left "on" in the garage. My best and last line of defense is a CO detector, as it isn't connected at all to the operation of the vehicle.
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The suggestions from @GrumpySquatch are all good, but I place the in-house CO detector in position #1.

My take - with more and more cars on the market with computerized wifi-enabled engine start features, manufacturers rapidly expanding code complexity and size, evolving new software features, updating software often, and at times probably not adequately stressing their new code, and finally more penetration of hybrids into the market that can mask "engine on" status, it's only a matter of time before a car is going to be left "on" in the garage. My best and last line of defense is a CO detector, as it isn't connected at all to the operation of the vehicle.
Plus the fact that it is just a good idea to have CO detectors in your house to begin with.
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Plus the fact that it is just a good idea to have CO detectors in your house to begin with.
+1, but I suspect there are many folks that do not have working smoke/CO detectors in their homes....the same ones that would ignore the car alarm as they walk away from their running car after parking it in the garage or park in the hot sun after forgetting to drop the infant at day care.

Automakers and regulators try their best but they simply can't fix stupid.

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I also agree, go get a CO detector - it's cheap insurance.

I also remember leaving the airport - there are signs all over that say "Did you close your flight plan?" - and sure enough, I'd pull over and call flight service because I'd forgotten.

So, make a sign in the interim!

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Also note that it will NOT beep to remind you the engine is running if you happen to leave the fob in the car. The car will beep loudly only after you've exited the running vehicle and closed the door with the key fob in your possession.
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I honestly can’t imagine getting out of the car and leaving it running.

I can't, either. I've locked myself out of my car/truck enough times that I even roll a window down if I have to get out with it running.


1200 miles+ from home once, and slammed the truck door. It had a lot of wear, so the lock, locked me out. 1200 miles from the spare key. Kinda makes one a bit more cognizant.


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Automakers and regulators try their best but they simply can't fix stupid.
This is true, but in this case, they could but won't put in software that would shut down an engine after a few minutes of idling without someone in the driver's seat. My guess is that they are worried about the legal ramifications of this code somehow shutting things down at the wrong time, as many drivers probably aren't prepared or can't cope with loss of power assist brakes and steering at speed.
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This is true, but in this case, they could but won't put in software that would shut down an engine after a few minutes of idling without someone in the driver's seat. My guess is that they are worried about the legal ramifications of this code somehow shutting things down at the wrong time, as many drivers probably aren't prepared or can't cope with loss of power assist brakes and steering at speed.
It is a warm day. I have the A/C on and I go into a store while my pet is in my Subaru. I don’t want software to kill my pet because it turns off my car and the A/C after a few minutes.

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