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I can relate to Subaru quality problems. My 2015 2.5 Outback has had following warranty work: I am on my third dashboard and third driver panel due to quality issues, rear hatch failed to open, blown fuse, left front axle replaced, drive shaft replaced, high speed vibration that canít be resolved even with new tires and wheels. Interesting though, my wifeís 2016 Forester has not had one problem. Is it the difference that Outbacks are built in US and the previygeneration Foresters were built in Japan?

You cannot draw any conclusion on two data points (one Outback and one Forester). One would need data from many of these vehicles

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I can relate to Subaru quality problems. My 2015 2.5 Outback has had following warranty work: I am on my third dashboard and third driver panel due to quality issues, rear hatch failed to open, blown fuse, left front axle replaced, drive shaft replaced, high speed vibration that canít be resolved even with new tires and wheels. Interesting though, my wifeís 2016 Forester has not had one problem. Is it the difference that Outbacks are built in US and the previygeneration Foresters were built in Japan?
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Thatís really disheartening!!

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You cannot draw any conclusion on two data points (one Outback and one Forester). One would need data from many of these vehicles



That's what I find so entertaining about forums and how infantile many adults are. Look at recall guy- he's a hoot.



"I had two brand X cars that never gave me a problem and now this brand Y car had a problem- they're junk last one I buy."


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Yes-but it IS an indication of quality control. The valve spring recall disaster is another indication. And there is a relationship between quality and reliability. I think Subaru reliability across most models is good- but not great, and QA issues are a key factor.

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We have one guy only so far working on the valve spring issue. Heís young and a real good tech but on one he had to drop the motor a second time due a noise that would only happen after the motor had run for like 45 minutes or more. He wasnít the only one experiencing this problem.
I doubt Subaru makes their own valve springs. Unfortunate and expensive supplier blunder.

I'd love to hear LG's expert opinion on how to check for things like material impurities in manufacturing without considerable added expense.


I was an A&P a long time ago. I still remember small aircraft starters that were basically the same as automotive but cost many times as much. I was told the additional cost- added inspections and QC during the manufacturing.
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I was an A&P a long time ago. I still remember small aircraft starters that were basically the same as automotive but cost many times as much.
A couple of decades two ago I had the OE starter off a Lycoming O320 that needed overhaul, so with my A&P's blessing I took it to the owner of a long-established rebuilder of automotive starters, generators, and alternators. He immediately identified it as a Model B Ford starter, right down to the same Bendix drive. Of course, the cast aluminum mount was different to fit the Lyc, but the rest of the starter was pure 1930s technology.

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A couple of decades two ago I had the OE starter off a Lycoming O320 that needed overhaul, so I took it to the owner of a long-established rebuilder of automotive starters, generators, and alternators. He immediately identified it as a Model B Ford starter, right down to the same Bendix drive. Of course, the cast aluminum mount was different to fit the Lyc, but the rest of the starter was pure 1930s technology.
Solid choice. After all back in the day you never heard of many Model Bs falling from the sky.
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A couple of decades two ago I had the OE starter off a Lycoming O320 that needed overhaul, so with my A&P's blessing I took it to the owner of a long-established rebuilder of automotive starters, generators, and alternators. He immediately identified it as a Model B Ford starter, right down to the same Bendix drive. Of course, the cast aluminum mount was different to fit the Lyc, but the rest of the starter was pure 1930s technology.
Lycoming is now being dragged into modern engine technology today. Its sad to see small shops building far more advanced engines and redundant technology while Lycoming hangs onto 1930ís engine designs.

On the flip side it was cool filling 5gal gas cans at the Chevron station on the way out to the hangar.
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Sometimes I think it is just the particular vehicle although brands do get reputations like Toyota for reliability or the old Plymouth slant six engine etc.



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I'd love to hear LG's expert opinion on how to check for things like material impurities in manufacturing without considerable added expense.


I was an A&P a long time ago. I still remember small aircraft starters that were basically the same as automotive but cost many times as much. I was told the additional cost- added inspections and QC during the manufacturing.
Well, I'm not an expert. Though I have designed and developed software applications, and tracked quality issues on heavy machinery. And I feel there are no simple answers. Quality is a combination and outgrowth of many factors. Design, materials, tolerances, testing, testing, testing, manufacturing process, environmental factors, people, etc. Whatever it is, it is no accident.

And while there is always a cost vs benefit consideration, smart, ethical manufacturers place a premium on safety, reliability and durability. There will always be companies that sacrifice quality for cost to drive sales volume. They calculate safety as a cost of doing business and even weigh lives versus dollars.

I think Subaru is a good company that knows it needs to improve its overall brand quality. It"s past history of engine issues is hopefully behind it. I also hope their CVT transmissions continue to improve in durability.



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Well, I'm not an expert. Though I have designed and developed software applications, and tracked quality issues on heavy machinery. And I feel there are no simple answers. Quality is a combination and outgrowth of many factors. Design, materials, tolerances, testing, testing, testing, manufacturing process, environmental factors, people, etc. Whatever it is, it is no accident.

And while there is always a cost vs benefit consideration, smart, ethical manufacturers place a premium on safety, reliability and durability. There will always be companies that sacrifice quality for cost to drive sales volume. They calculate safety as a cost of doing business and even weigh lives versus dollars.

I think Subaru is a good company that knows it needs to improve its overall brand quality. It"s past history of engine issues is hopefully behind it. I also hope their CVT transmissions continue to improve in durability.



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You brought up the valve spring issue as one of the reasons Subaru needs to improve quality.

It was a materials impurity issue from a supplier, so again, I'd like real answers to how a company prevents those types issue without driving costs up exponentially?



It's always so easy to come on a forum ans say brand X needs to do this, but noone ever seems to have actual answer on how.

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