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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 12-12-2018, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
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If you live in a state that applies salt to the roads during the winter, what do you do to combat the inevitable cancer?

I've been looking for a new Gen 3 OTB, probably a H6 version and see lots of cars back east that are somewhat reasonably priced in comparison to the West coast but my gut tells me no no no... only rust buckets come from the North East.

Myth? Legend or truth?



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I haven't ever visited the northeast in the winter time, but I did grow up in MN and lived in the Twin Cities for quite a long time....and MN is horrible when it comes to salt. Just the mention of a chance of snow, and they are out dumping salt and solution all over the roads in the metro area.

Most of the "cancer" on a vehicle from salt begins to work it's way from the inside to the out....so by the time it is visible, you have a much larger problem than what it looks like.

When buying used, give the underside a good inspection. Tell tale signs of rust will show.

As for how we deal with all the salt......lots of washes during the winter time. Keep that car clean. There are under coatings that can be applied to the underside to help protect from salt. Also, (and this is just my personal opinion)....heated garages in the winter time are also a contributing factor. It's nice to have snow melted off the car in the morning, but there is never enough heat to truly dry out all the nooks and cranies of the underside where the sand/salt/moisture collect and inevitably the rust beings to show.

I always tell my friends to never buy used in the metro area....instead, keep your eyes peeled for a vehicle in the Dakotas (North or South) and the other areas around. At least for South Dakota, we don't use salt and the majority of the miles on the vehicles are driven 55 mph and up....very little stop/go traffic. Full Size trucks and heavy duty trucks are sought after from South Dakota and I have a dealer back home begging to get his hands on my used half ton when the time comes.

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Why? Because we like driving on pavement rather than ice. I don't know what other equally-effective product they could get in the kind of bulk needed, without busting the DPW budgets of municipalities.

Just placing sand is fine initially, but they need to somehow rid the roads of the glaze.


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If you live in a state that applies salt to the roads during the winter, what do you do to combat the inevitable cancer?
I've lived in the Northeast my entire life from Pennsylvania to Vermont, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. We don't do anything and replace our cars every 10 or fewer years. Not a single one of my friends cares about rust on their daily driver and I don't believe anyone I've ever met had paid a dollar for protection on their vehicle. Rust just is. It's part of living in the Northeast like raking leaves in Fall and shoveling snow in Winter.

I heard of people using an "oil undercoating" when I lived in New Hampshire but no one I knew well. They sell it through dealers now: https://nhoilundercoating.com/.


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easy solution - buy a car from south Texas, no show, no ice, no salt.
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I've lived in the Northeast my entire life from Pennsylvania to Vermont, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. We don't do anything and replace our cars every 10 or fewer years. Not a single one of my friends cares about rust on their daily driver and I don't believe anyone I've ever met had paid a dollar for protection on their vehicle. Rust just is. It's part of living in the Northeast like raking leaves in Fall and shoveling snow in Winter.

I heard of people using an "oil undercoating" when I lived in New Hampshire but no one I knew well. They sell it through dealers now: https://nhoilundercoating.com/.
+1, I've lived in MD for all of my 66+ years. These days roads are being covered in some sort of brine/syrup solution at the mere mention of snow. Have never worried about rust but then I've never kept a daily driver long enough for any meaningful rust to occur.

In response to the OP, if you are going to buy an older car from the northeast, see it in person. Do not rely on interweb photos!!

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+2, In the Northeast cars are just an expendable commodity. Unless you wash several times a day you're never going to keep it clean, even if you could, the constant water is going to flush salty water in to more places that it might never get to on it's own. More modern/current painted body panels tend to hold up better than they used to. The more insidious problem is the structural stuff underneath that's harder to inspect without digging. Frame rails, wheel wells, shock towers, rocker panels hidden under plastic cladding, foot wells. Some of it can be repaired piecemeal if you're not in a position to replace the vehicle. There comes a time though, usually by the 15yr mark, when you just have to make the judgement call. When it's done, it's done. Not safe to continue.
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Here's my favorite way to avoid getting my cars salty in winter. :^)


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Here's my favorite way to avoid getting my cars salty in winter. :^)

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If you live in a state that applies salt to the roads during the winter, what do you do to combat the inevitable cancer?
Nothing. The market is just different here. You either move on to a different car or dive into the diminishing returns of maintaining a rusty car that isn't locally worth anything.

Some people store a particular car for the winter or have a dedicated snow car.

Wash the underside of the vehicle. That, and how and when and efficacy, depends on physical parameters, whether it's exposed to nasty winter treatments. Just because a car is owned or driven in the northeast does not mean it gets exposed as much as the next car. Exposure can vary across the entire spectrum - but keep in mind around here a Subaru is "the go to" winter driver car.

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only rust buckets come from the North East.
Myth? Legend or truth?
Obviously "only" is too all-inclusive to be true - but yeah, that's true. You just assume that until you find out otherwise


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