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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-24-2019, 10:49 PM Thread Starter
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2013 Outback apparent transmission issue

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First post here. Been poking around a bit but thought I'd ask this straight away as I didn't find quite my scenario elsewhere.
I have a 2013 Outback 2.5, bought used about 4 years ago from a Subaru dealer. Been very solid until recently. A couple months ago I started intermittently getting what felt like a subtle slipping in the transmission, in particular at lower speeds when accelerating. It would sort of gently do a little "skip" it felt like, like it was trying to grab a gear and sort of thunked down into it. Sometimes at higher speeds too. After it started becoming more frequent (though still intermittent) I took it to my dealer's service (I have a full extended warranty BTW). It took them days to re-create it (I think they actually just sat on it for a few days). They said it wasn't the transmission, but they thought I needed new spark plugs. Odd, I thought, but I sprung for them. Didn't fix it. Took it back to them, and this time they had it for almost a week, test driving it (again, I think they just sat on it for days because the phenomenon was now happening to me every day). I kept telling them it felt like the transmission. FINALLY after a week, they claimed they did a "transmission test" and sure enough I needed a new transmission. So, they replaced the "entire transmission". I got it back, drove it for about a week and sure enough, it's doing the same thing again. So, I have (in theory) a brand new transmission, and it's still doing this thing, that they ultimately agreed was a transmission issue. What could this problem be? I'm getting really sick of taking my car back to these guys! Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

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They replaced the entire transmission? Define slip? Do the RPMs go higher with no power going to the wheels? From my experience slipping is either low fluid or a bad trans...

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They replaced the entire transmission? I'm hoping under warranty! Define slip? Do the RPMs go higher with no power going to the wheels? From my experience slipping is either low fluid or a bad trans...
Yep, they say they replaced the "entire transmission". Under the Subaru warranty, so no problem there.
The way I would describe it is, when accelerating gradually (doesn't seem to do it if I lay into the gas more), it'll be speeding up and then there's a "tug", like something grabs. The RPMs do not go higher w/o power--I know what that is like from other cars. It's not that. It's like it's accelerating and gets to a point where it "tugs" it into the next gear. That's what it feels like at least. It can be at lower or higher speeds. The RPMs don't seem to dip down at the tug or anything like that. The one constant (I think) is that it's during gradual acceleration. As I say, if I give it a lot more gas quickly it doesn't seem to happen. But I can't be flooring it out of stop lights all the time!
One other thing I noticed today. I never use the manual mode/paddle shifters. Today I decided to try manual mode and it's surprising how high a gear the car is in when I switch over to that mode. I'll be going a modest 35 mph for example in auto, and then switch to manual and the car is in 5th gear!? Is that normal? I started wondering if it's related, like the car isn't shifting in the right places or something. With a brand new transmission no less...
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If this is a 2013 with a 5EAT (non CVT) transmission I suspect you have a (known) problem with the torque converter.

The torque converters in these models (and many other makes and models) can “slip” when the torque converter goes to “lock up”. This typically happens around 80Km/h (50 miles per hour) and only under light acceleration (as you describe)

I suspect the dealer did not replace the torque converter when they replaced the transmission and I am a bit surprised that they did not suspect the torque converter as it is a known problem.

Let us know how you get on.

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2.5 so it's a CVT.

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If this is a 2013 with a 5EAT (non CVT) transmission I suspect you have a (known) problem with the torque converter.

The torque converters in these models (and many other makes and models) can “slip” when the torque converter goes to “lock up”. This typically happens around 80Km/h (50 miles per hour) and only under light acceleration (as you describe)

I suspect the dealer did not replace the torque converter when they replaced the transmission and I am a bit surprised that they did not suspect the torque converter as it is a known problem.

Let us know how you get on.

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Yes, it's a 2.5 and as far as I know it's a CVT. At least when I was discussing it with the service guy and asking about CVTs, how they work, etc., he never said it wasn't a CVT.
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Silly question I expect, but is it possible to replace the transmission but NOT replace the transmission fluid?
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Silly question I expect, but is it possible to replace the transmission but NOT replace the transmission fluid?
So...new trans with no fluid? Or new trans and use the old fluid?


Uh...either is in the realm of possible.
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So...new trans with no fluid? Or new trans and use the old fluid?


Uh...either is in the realm of possible.
I'm a mechanical dummy, but these guys don't exactly instill confidence. I was wondering if it's mechanically possible to put in a new transmission and NOT change the old fluid, or as you say, forget to put any in!!!!
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Very well could be the torque converter. Check this post out too. https://www.subaruoutback.org/#/topics/430217

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