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post #11 of 45 (permalink) Old 03-16-2012, 04:26 PM Thread Starter
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SubieSailor, If you aren't up to a DIY project or looking for a little big trailer these options could work nicely.

The LivinLite 6.0 is basically the same trailer for 1000's less without the Jeep logo.

The LifeTime trailer is a good option if you need sleeping space a for families or if you want to haul an ATV around. The one downside I see is needing to unpack before you can setup your tent. With a Tent Topped Dinoot, you could pull into camp late and be ready for bed in a few minutes with out unpacking.

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SubieSailor, If you aren't up to a DIY project or looking for a little big trailer these options could work nicely.

The LivinLite 6.0 is basically the same trailer for 1000's less without the Jeep logo.

The LifeTime trailer is a good option if you need sleeping space a for families or if you want to haul an ATV around. The one downside I see is needing to unpack before you can setup your tent. With a Tent Topped Dinoot, you could pull into camp late and be ready for bed in a few minutes with out unpacking.
Smaller tow vehicles + families translates to a small trailer which can haul various toys and gear that do not fit in the car. The current tent trailer concepts fail this. I don't own a ATV probably never will. I haul boats on my trailer and other gear that would otherwise cramp the space in the car. All comes down to how you pack.

When we pack our life time trailer everything is packed in such a way that the only time involved is unlashing the gear bags from the trailer and tossing the boat on the boat dolly.

If the time from car to sleeping is important nothing beats the Teardrop which is far superior regarding all weather - packed gear and towing weights than any type of tent trailer.

Individual needs determines what works best not to mention price. I have yet to see anything that competes in the $2000 price that provides a high quality product like the Lifetime tent trailer. All the quick silver trailers are nice and come with a sizable price tag and still have very limited gear hauling ability.

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Wife and I have noticed a growing trend at campgrounds. Years ago families would show up in big full size trucks vans suburbans etc. Lots of space and capacity to carry camping crap + kids stuff etc. In more recent years we saw lots of families showing up with multiple smaller cars to haul people and gear. In just the past couple of years we see huge number of Uhaul trailers and large utility trailers being towed by smaller more fuel efficient vehicles with trailers packed with gear, bikes, kayaks, kids wagons, tables, full sized bbq's etc. Last August we counted 5 Uhaul trailers on our one small loop in the camp ground. Our utility trailer transformed into a tent drew lots of attention as a result.

I think the tent trailer idea is going to face an evolution in what people want. Tent trailers for a long time were viewed as cheap light versions of the full on hard sided RV. Now days with all the cool gear options available, people see value in sleeping off the ground and having the ability to haul all there gear. Cabinets, sinks, showers, toilets in the tent trailer are of little interest especially at the price point being charged. Lol

These utility multi use camping riggs no doubt are gaining lots of interest. $4 gas only amplifies it that much more.
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SubieSailor, yes driving a smaller vehicle and being able to add a “pickup bed” for hauling only when needed is a great way to go. I agree, manufacturers of standard tent trailers do not factor in the gear / toys that go with an active outdoor lifestyle.

I agree, there are various options available, folks need to weigh the trade-offs based on the criteria that is important to them and purchase what best fits their needs. In my solutions, I build in as much flexibility as possible so folks can tailor their builds based on their needs. Keep in mind, my focus is DIY sport utility / off the beaten path / camping trailers, where the $2000 price point is easy to achieve with quality components by putting in a little sweat equity.

I have been seeing the same thing, a growing number of smaller vehicles with a U-haul trailer at campgrounds. That is the primary problem with tent trailers manufactures today, thinking of them as an RV. When you look at tent trailers from the perceptive of being a piece of camping / outdoor gear, then factor in the multi-purpose aspect, you get a very different product. Change is coming …
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Here are some pictures of the first "Compact" tub kit out of the molds being test fit / assembled.









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schaney I've built a Rutan Veri EZE which was more glass work and parts forming and fabrication than I ever want to see for the rest of my life LOL. The up side was 200mph on 100hp with a full fighter canopy hot rod plane.

I've been involve in building and selling high end racing sailboats in more recent years where man hours ie labor to build is watch by the minute for each piece of the puzzle. I'm not sure how a fiberglass bin small utility trailer can compete with a fast build soft metal trailer regarding man hours vs cost not to mention durability and tie down points for off road use. The man hours needed to lay up and properly cure the glass box alone would out number the hours needed for basic assembly and welding of your classic soft metal trailer.

Also in the competitive sailboat world high grade aluminum has nearly identical weight and strength to high tech composite construction using high grade epoxy resin with an infusion process during layup to get the best possible coverage and saturation of the glass. The cheaper Polyester resins done via hand lay up are dramatically less durable and when you track man hours and raw materials costs the difference in build cost is marginal but the end product is dramatically less durable etc.

I think your idea is great but I think you would have far far more options and a lower build cost if you built your box out of aluminum faster build time fewer man hours and far easier to customize regarding hard points for tie downs etc.
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Subiesailor, There are some parallels, but not sure high end racing sailboats and compact camping trailers is an apples-to-apples comparison when looking at design criteria and building methods.

From my experience with both aluminum and fiberglass compact camping trailers, aluminum trailer boxes are at least twice the cost to manufacturer. Here is an aluminum version of our Explorer Box we have available.



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Here are a few more pictures as I test fit / assemble Dinoot #1





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Here is a sketch of what the prototype Tent Topped version above would like look with matching rims and paint.

Does this mean that the trailer would be set up for 5 x 100 bolt pattern and the same hub size as Subaru wheels? Or are hub size and bolt pattern specifiable by the buyer? Or is this just an artistic rendering with no relation to the actual product? (Don't mean to sound hostile here, just looking for answers...)
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HawkWagon, Not hostile at all, good question. Most "standard" trailer axles come with a 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern. For hub matching a Subaru (and many other vehicles) an aluminum adapter is used. If you bump up to a 3.5K axle then there are 5 on 4.5/4.75/5/5.5 & 6 on 5.5 hubs available. The artistic rendering was only because I havn't had time to build one for my Outback Sport .

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