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04-26-2019 11:54 AM
johnre
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Originally Posted by Ronter View Post
Computers: Well, let me say this... "Boeing 737 MAX". Mistakes will be made in the programming, people will be hurt. The same humans whose driving skills we have no faith in are the same species as those programming the computers. Humans are fallible in whatever they do.
The metric for whether computers or humans do better is only about the overall safety records of each - not individual anecdotes of spectacularly stupid accidents.

Yes, computers will still do stupid things. And then, once this is examined, their code will be fixed to make them better. If they are like the airline industry, discoveries will have to be shared with everyone. All this at the same time that the average human driver skill set may be becoming atrophied.

Insurance companies will only look at this bottom line. And this is the way it probably should be.
04-26-2019 11:31 AM
Ronter I have no issue with Subaru, or any car manufacturer citing the crash survivability of their vehicle; it is definitely a factor to consider when looking to buy a car.

WRT non-human drivers...

Animals: Nope!
Computers: Well, let me say this... "Boeing 737 MAX". Mistakes will be made in the programming, people will be hurt. The same humans whose driving skills we have no faith in are the same species as those programming the computers. Humans are fallible in whatever they do.

As for a good driver being better because of Eyesight. Perhaps in some situation that I haven't encountered yet; but my experience so far has been annoyance over distracting warnings about crossing lane markings while I'm purposely avoiding ostacles, or the car ahead has moved - but the light is now red. I really like the adaptive cruise control, but still keep my feet near the pedals, ready to take over control, not out the window.
04-26-2019 11:09 AM
ammcinnis
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Originally Posted by z28dug View Post
and if you bought everything that promised a 10% horsepower gain along with 10% better MPG, we would all have 1000 HP cars getting a 1000 MPG.....
There were occasional problem reports that the fuel economy improved so spectacularly that the fuel tank would overflow after less than a hundred miles of driving.
04-26-2019 09:40 AM
SScott13
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I used to work with a guy that only drove Saab's. When I asked about his love for them, his answer was because he only lived 2 miles from a Saab mechanic.
I knew a lot of people who had problems with their Saabs ... but I blame that more on the previous owners who didn't take care of them properly.

None of mine ever gave me any trouble and I was never gentle to them and drove them a lot ... but I did maintain them.
04-26-2019 09:02 AM
z28dug
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I spent 15+ years driving Saabs and the #1 reason I always gave for "why do I drive them" was safety. I can't remember the number of stories I have heard of how a Saab saved someone's life ... and keep in mind, this was before all the current tech (Saab died in 2011).

I have to admit that when I started looking at Subaru again (I was trying to buy an Outback when I first got into Saab), I completely forgot about their safety ratings.

In my 35 years of driving, I have been involved in 2 accidents; the first I was rear ended and the Saab totaled (I had a trailer on the back) and the second was a minor accident where I rear ended another car in slippery conditions (almost made it to a stop). But I am glad that I am again in one of the safest cars out there!!!
I used to work with a guy that only drove Saab's. When I asked about his love for them, his answer was because he only lived 2 miles from a Saab mechanic.
04-26-2019 08:58 AM
z28dug
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Originally Posted by atc98092 View Post
I got those catalogs for years. Miss them sometimes as comical reading material. The stuffed animal for the rear window with lights for eyes that connect to the brake lights.

But I also ordered parts from them at times. Of course with the Internet there are so many more options for parts now.
and if you bought everything that promised a 10% horsepower gain along with 10% better MPG, we would all have 1000 HP cars getting a 1000 MPG.....
04-26-2019 08:47 AM
SScott13 I spent 15+ years driving Saabs and the #1 reason I always gave for "why do I drive them" was safety. I can't remember the number of stories I have heard of how a Saab saved someone's life ... and keep in mind, this was before all the current tech (Saab died in 2011).

I have to admit that when I started looking at Subaru again (I was trying to buy an Outback when I first got into Saab), I completely forgot about their safety ratings.

In my 35 years of driving, I have been involved in 2 accidents; the first I was rear ended and the Saab totaled (I had a trailer on the back) and the second was a minor accident where I rear ended another car in slippery conditions (almost made it to a stop). But I am glad that I am again in one of the safest cars out there!!!
04-26-2019 02:44 AM
Zedhead I dunno about you guize, but I'll be the one out there in their stinky old manual transmission truck messing around with the automated cars. It's gonna be a blast!
04-26-2019 02:33 AM
johnre
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Originally Posted by Brettcr View Post
Me... I am one of those commercials.
I likewise have a story to tell. I was hit from behind at perhaps 50 MPH by a 4,000 lb. Jeep Cherokee while stopped at a stoplight in my fisrt OB, a 2005 Gen 3. My car jumped forward 70 feet, and both the driver and passenger seat backs broke - that's how hard we were hit. But I got out and walked away; my passenger likewise, although he had a few facial cuts from glass flying forward from the shattered rear window.

More details of damage here:

https://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...ml#post3633682

Another driver who saw it all and stopped to help had a similar reaction like that of the police with the previous poster - and in fact he explained that he had a teenager starting to drive, he was starting to look for an extra car in the family, and he would be heavily influenced by what he had just witnessed.
04-25-2019 03:06 PM
Brettcr Man people love to complain. Don't like the "They lived" commercials. Well you're due your dislikes and I will respect that. Me... I am one of those commercials. Sitting in my Outback with my wife at a stoplight and here comes a Ford F-250 not even slowing. I had time to yell Sit back!" to my wife then slammmm! Didn't even slow down. Blew out the entire back half of the car. Luckily my kids were not in there! When they hit us it surprised them because they must've hit the pedal thinking it was the brake because they slammed us again. We were pushed into the car in front of us and ended up totaling their Volkswagen. When all settled my wife and I got out of the car. The people in the Volkswagen, they didn't. They ended up getting taken to the emergency room from their injuries (They weren't faking because i helped the driver who started vomiting)



Kicker... when the police and the tow truck company arrived, they both said to us "They lived, now I get it". Commercials hit home sometimes and become a staple of things. I attribute a lot of the walking away with minor issues to everything from the car build to the way it reacted in the accident to the support of the seating. Me, I dig the commercials because it's more than just me or my kids hitting someone and think that it brought a lot of light on the safety of the brand.
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