[SuBaRuRuLeS]

Whats happening guys. I found some nice pictures of the new Legacy and Outback. Hope you enjoy them.

 

[SuBaRuRuLeS]

legacy non-turbo

Legacy----non-turbo

 

[Kevin]

Hey SuBaRuRuLeS! Thanks for checkin' in, I'd like to see you around more often

Nice pics, hopefully I can make some of my own track pics whenever I get my new OB :19:

 

[Jondalar]

Great pics, nice to see the one where the inside rear is smoking up a little. I LOVE the Audi shot, soo cool!!

 

[loopy]

Whats happening guys. I found some nice pictures of the new Legacy and Outback. Hope you enjoy them.

Hi Subarurules

The photos were from a comparison? How did the Outback do?

 

[ArneH]

Yes, please
Give us a link to that comparison of the Outback, Allroad, XC70...

Thanks
Arne

 

[Karl_at_VanBortel]

I'm looking forward to trying that first hand at the Subaru Ride & Drive in July!

 

[SuBaRuRuLeS]

Thanks guys!
The article is in Russian, so ................ But if you still want it , tell me.

 

[SuBaRuRuLeS]

Oh yeah, here is the link for the curious ones
http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n22/test2/1.htm

 

[jimmbo]

looks like a good comparo,anyone coverted it to english yet.

If not I'll give it a try using bablefish.....see how it turns out.

 

[shizumaat]

Well after wading through the mangled translation, looks like the Russion comparison between the Audi Allroad, 2005 Outback, and the Volvo XC70 they felt the Allroad was still the best. Outback came a lot closer than last year though, and it is at least 1/2 the price...

They were not comparing the XT which might make for a more interesting comparison.

If anyone finds a better translation or an English version please post!

 

[The_Lizard]

Let me see if I can copy those performance charts here...

 

[The_Lizard]

Can you figure those out? Looks like they're running them up to redline in each gear, and showing that speed. Seems the Subaru is geared shorter in 5th, but if I'm reading that right it will beat the Audi in 1st.

I don't quite understand why the Volvo graph ends so differently; it seems like it's governed to not go over 4500 in 5th. And I don't know why the Audi and Volvo graphs have a green zone while the Subaru has only a green line.

 

[loopy]

review translated?

CHECKING ON THE ROADS down Subardinaqih Aleksandr DIVAKOV, Maxim KADAKOV of photos the stamp of rind and Maxim kadakov Since three ago to the light appeared Audi Allroad, in the sector of the great specialists of the "increased passability" of events there was not much. Already known Volvo V70 Cross Country they renamed in Volvo XC70 (by analogy with the large extra-road builder Volvo XC90), and on the past auto-salon in Frankfurt passed world of the premier of specialist Subaru Outback of new generation. This became occasion in order to again gather three machines to together and learn - the arrangement of forces did change. 4 ponskiye autos-producer do not love to connect the premiers of new automobiles with the international exhibitions - it is disadvantageous! As soon as machine it is ready, it they here start into the series production - and they begin to sell. Here new Outback appeared in the Japanese dealers even during May - long before the world "debut" in Frankfurt. But in Russia Outback it proved to be even earlier than in many countries of Europe! At our disposal it proved to be Subaru Outback H6 of tender- golden color - that same, that it stood in beauty in exhibitions in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Six "opposition" cylinders, new five-stage "automaton" and "all navoroty". Retail price - $49800. Than was good previous Outback? By checked by time all-wheel-drive transmission, famous opposition engines and high quality of assembling. But in this case and appearance, and interior specialist hardly could be named beautiful or stylish. But the outstanding feature of firm style remained perhaps that the deprived of the window framework side doors. New Outback - automobile of other. Hardly its appearance will become orientator for the designers of other firms, but machine appears more easily, it is swifter, it is more contemporary. Instead of the unprepossessing salon "as in all" appeared the interior, to which at long last applied hand the designers. Everything without the whims, but is stylish. And it is qualitative. For example, the material of front panel both on the invoice and on the quality exactly repeats that that is used on the "three rubles" BMW. the semicircular visor above the instruments and the expanded to the driver central console -, in addition as on BMW the previous generation. The deflectors of ventilation system, the poisonous- red illumination of instruments and front panel, the closed by soft shutter boxing on the central tunnel - this already resembles Audi. And as a result - sensation of expensive, high(ly)-class automobile, but in this case deprived of showy respectability, pafosnosti, in what it is possible to reproach Audi Allroad. The beautiful, stretched over by the perforated skin control Momo lies down into the hands as by that poured. On the doors - convenient knobs under "natural" gallant. At its places for pedal, podrulevye switches, the selector of "automaton". Seats are sheathed by "tenacious" skin (it's a pity, the "ears" of the lateral support of the back of malovaty). Parking brake lever they at long last transferred from the right side of central tunnel (as in the "pravorukikh" machines - in terms of this differed previous Outback) to the leftist, nearer to the driver. But the steering column is for some reason regulated only on the slope angle. The block of climate- control is located by the too low-: if the selector of box is transferred into position P, to govern regimes is inconvenient. But very selector of "automaton" as before is not equipped ****yu blokiratorom - lever easily is moved in the zigzag cut even with the turned-off ignition and the tempered brake pedal: if randomly you pull for it - machine can be rolled under the incline! But the most serious puncture in the fact that for the tall drivers (above 180 cm) the range of the longitudinal adjustment of the seat is too small: it is desirable to move aside even by several centimeters, but nowhere - do not allow too short sleds and... the legs of rear passengers! Dada, with the front seats moved aside to the support the rear passengers above average increase has already been abutted by elbows against rigid backs. But three on the rear seats it will be also in the arms it is tight. The extremely small reserve of space for the rear passengers - evidence of the unsuccessful assembly solutions, since neither along the length nor according to wheel base Outback practically it is inferior to competitors. Yes even baggage carrier Subaru is not greater than in others. Silvery Audi Allroad 2.7 is sold for 75 thousand dollars - is one and a half times more expensive than Subaru! For which such money? For the 250- strong motor? For the all-wheel-drive transmission? For the five-stage "automaton"? But indeed all this be in Subaru! Really dealers Audi do take this "increase" only for the pneumo-suspension, which does make it possible to operationally change clearance? But as soon as you will open door Audi, all questions are removed by themselves. Expensive materials, high(ly)-class audiosistema (equal to it in our test not it was), separate climate- control, the supplied with micros-elevator knobs on the ceiling and even hooks for the clothing... And ergonomics here "is expensive". But the highest mark for ergonomics we do not place only because the front seats to us were encountered rather better (even on the automobiles of concern Volkswagen Group). Yes even field of view back suffers because of the large head rests of the rear seat. List of options appropriate. Are proposed such pleasant trifles, as shutters on the windows of rear doors, preheating of control and of rear seat, pre-operational heater with remote control, detachable farkop is much entire other. These useful and not very veshchichek can be ordered for the sum, which would be sufficient to the purchase of two-liter sedan Subaru Legacy! On the reserve of space for the rear passengers Allroad by polgolovy it is higher, on polnogi it is longer and to polplecha wider! Despite the fact that the pillow of the rear seat is formed hearth of two, here is completely comfortably three together - even if everything in the winter clothing. From the knees to the backs of front seats remain centimeters five, and if man of medium height - the and entire ten. Paradise! But from the convenient, spacious and ergonomichnogo interior Audi it winnows by chill, even if "stove" works on the total power. This interior forces, it should correspond... But here Volvo XC70 - automobile is friendlier. From its predecessor, Volvo V70 CrossCountry, it is differed only in terms of the construction of the all-wheel-drive transmission: instead of viskomufty in the drive of rear wheels appeared the brighter multiple-disk clutch Haldex (as on sedan Volvo S60 AWD and extra-road builder Volvo XC90). Everything else remained unchanged, including the price: "our" machine with 200- strong five-cylinder turbomotorom (other engines it is not proposed) and by five-stage "automaton" stands more expensively than Subaru - $54870. Appearance "of IKS- SI" - to the amateur. Everyone will be pleased angular silhouette and deliberately relief plastic cover plates on the body. But here interior is good. The materials of finishing not are poorer than in Audi, but here somehow more easily, it is freer. On Volvo less successful seats, than on Audi. Elegant "wooden" control not such "tenacious" as on Subaru, but is also good. On the space on rear seat Volvo XC70 only a little is inferior Audi, noticeably exceeding Subaru. The thought-out system of climate- control gladdens. For example, the deflectors of ventilation system exist even on the average door counters and near the lateral windows of baggage carrier (so that they would not become covered with moisture). By the way, about the baggage carrier. It large, with the flat walls. But here also the firm piece Volvo - the powerful metallic lattice, which is called to hold load with the abrupt deceleration or the collision. If there is no load, then lattice rises upward and it is closed under the ceiling. The six-cylinder opposition motor mastered at firm Fuji Heavy three ago, but now the power of three-liter aggregate it was possible to raise with 210 hp to imposing 245 hp. Paired with the modernized motor it works the first in the history of brand Subaru five-stage "automaton". I.e., is nowadays Outback armed not worse than European machines! About this speak the results of our instrument measurements: from the "low" start Outback is accelerated the nostril into the nostril with Audi, noticeably anticipating Volvo. But these are - numbers. But eyes, ears and vestibular apparatus convince of the fact that in many situations Subaru is nevertheless slower than Audi. Why? Partly because with the intensive accelerations opposition "six" muffle by its roar all the remaining noise. Moreover with the mechanical roar of "oppozitnikov" Porsche this roar has little general. It now and then seems that to motor Subaru to nevmogotu to pull two-ton machine. Spoils impression and new "automaton". It changes gears softly, but with the perceptible delays, yes even transfer too strong "long".

 

[loopy]

part II

For example, on the third Outback is accelerated azh to 190 km/h, while Audi and Volvo they reach this speed only on the fourth. Fifth transfer in Subaru - "economical", calculated for the ride with the constant velocity. But with the intensive accelerations from the average speeds (for example, with the dynamic outstrippings) for "automaton" it is necessary to be thrown to two, and that to three steps "downward"! All this occurs too razmerenno, and precious, especially in the complex road situation, seconds are lost. Undoubted plus of new "automaton" - the presence of sport and sekvental'nogo regimes. In regime Sport in the window on the panel of instruments burns not letter S, but the number of the transfer included in the given moment luminesces. On reaching of maximum engine revolutions the box is not switched "upward", but it makes possible for driver to retain the pointer of tachometer on the face of forbidden red zone. But even in the sekvental'nom regime delays during the switchings "are downward" too great. As far as controllability is concerned, Subaru us gladdened. Automobile very well "costs" at the high speed, it otklikayetsya smoothly to the turnings of control, it drops in easily and so easily from them it leaves into the turnings. Very balanced behavior! Audi Allroad Most powerful to five horsepower. But "force" here entirely others - "supercharger", mechanical! Motor - less loud, "automaton" - more rapid-firing, and noise-isolation - is better. Machine is accelerated easily, without the rent, creating the sensation of swift flight. But here sekvental'nyy regime proved to be "pseudo-manual": "automaton" nevertheless continues to change gears and "upward", and "downward", making it possible to only enlarge the range of the use of each step and to more actively impede by engine. The ease, with which Allroad is accelerated to 200 km/h, moves confidence, that everything under the control. On the whole, so it there is. Driver not "does lose" automobile even on the broken road. Pneumo-suspension ensures the very high smoothness of motion, although at the joints of asphalt the work of suspension is accompanied by impacts and unpleasant clank. "automaton" Volvo works more quickly than on Subaru, but... Five cylinders - not six. With the acceleration "into the floor" XC70 lags. Yes even there is no kayfa from the rapid ride on Volvo! Driver badly feels automobile. And the higher the speed, the stronger the dissociation. Problems appear already to 120 km/h - XC70 it begins "to float" on the unevennesses, forcing driver to podrulivat'. But on the twisting roads control is converted into the hard work. In turnings Volvo it heels so that becomes the terribly even prepared drivers, and front passenger is sufficient at the special handrail on the central tunnel. Swedish specialist locates to the measured off, unhurried ride. Does not raise mood the drive of the brakes: with the intensive retarding the pedal departs increasingly deeper and it is deeper. In this machine is better to go potishe. So you get tired less, and you manage to take pleasure by the comfortable suspension, which derives Volvo XC70 in the first place on the smoothness of motion. But "drayverskiy" automobile itself in our trio - Audi. He with the surprising clearness and with the minimum banks "writes" the most rapid turnings - as if these are not vsedorozhnik, but is all-wheel-drive of maps! Stabilization system is disposed so that makes possible for driver to independently overcome drift, and already then - if it is necessary - it comes to the aid. But now and then Allroad so rapidly and deeply falls through into the drift, which to work control is necessary doubly more rapid than the usual. Subaru in the stressed turnings let and less rapid, then more intelligible automobile. For the sharp discharge of gas Outback also it departs to the drift, but it is smoother - and therefore to restore control over the situation it is simpler. But system ESP is disposed as on Audi - first gives to driver the possibility to pouprazhnyat'sya in the correction of slips, and already then enters into the game. Volvo XC70 First slips outside turn. But with the increase it is bank machine suddenly it is fixed inside the turning. Complex nature! But passability? In spite of sonorous names - Outback ("uninhabited locality"), Allroad ("all roads") and THE XC (CrossCountry, "broken ground"), the heroes of our test refer very distant to extra-roads builder. Similar "specialists of the increased passability" usually utyuzhat asphalt roads. The main thing - not to strike by face into mud, if the same nevertheless falls. But to already knead this mud - the lot of other machines. In arsenal Audi - being interlocked interaxial differential Torsen, which distributes the torque between the front and rear wheels in the relationships from 25:75 to 75:25. To help to it - the electronic system EDS, which will slow the skidding wheels, making possible for other wheels to realize torque. To Subaru - "almost honest" distribution of the torque: it is divided between the front and rear wheels in relationship 45:55. Plus - electronic imitation of blocking differentials. In the regular state of motions Volvo V70 BY THE XC it remains practically front-wheel-drive automobile - rear wheels are connected by clutch Haldex only in such a case, when front begin to slip. Furthermore, there is the protivobuksovochnoye device TRACS, which also plays the role of the electronic blocking of interwheel differentials. Forced blockings and there are no reducing gears there is not on one of the machines. On the boggy ground road all automobiles appeared themselves from the best side. But, other conditions being equal, obvious advantage was after Audi - thanks to the variable road clearance and to relatively small overhangs. I.e., Allroad is characterized by the best geometric passability. All managed the diagonal hanging out: the electronic systems of the imitation of blockings made it possible to advance, even if the earth concerned only two wheels. But this - on dry solid ground. But if under the wheels sand, then "pseudo-blockings" prove to be too "soft": machines only twitch themselves, but forward they will not go. Volvo XC70 With its "partial" polnoprivodnost'yu we was they wrote down in outsiders. But it turned out that even in the sandy quarry the put on shoes into the "high" tires with the larger tread profile automobile did not lose boytsovskikh qualities. Let us total? Three ago Outback H6 of the previous generation on the sum of expert estimations hopeless lagged behind the competitors. But new Outback already costs at one step with Volvo! But that that Outback lost Audi, then... Not we will forget, which Subaru is one and a half times cheaper! 3x, if even on the rear seat not it was then tightly! So that if you value not so much driver properties, as space and comfort, then selection must fall to Volvo XC70. Well, but if price does not play vital importance, the best acquisition in this class as before remains Audi Allroad. Most spacious, quite drayverskiy and "passable" automobile itself in our trinity. But still - most voracious and most driven away. But still - quite prestige! Such here subardinaqi4. Information AR. They granted automobiles to the test: Audi Allroad - firm Audi center is ruble, the bodies: (095) 775-77-72; Subaru Outback - firm U -Servis+, the bodies: (095) 258-99-99; Volvo XC70 - the Moscow representation of firm Volvo, of bodies: (095) 745-97-80. What how much? Subaru Outback It is proposed by Russian dealers with two benzine opposition engines to the selection: with the "four" with a volume of 2,5 l (165 hp.) and with "six" volume of 3 l (245 hp). Outback 2.5 in the standard assembly (mechanical the box, ABS., four pillows of safety, climate- control, radio tape recorder, the electric drive of glasss-hoist and external mirrors with the preheating, light-alloy wheels) is sold for $36020. The same automobile in the maximum equipment and with the four-stepped "automaton" is noticeably more expensive - $39250. Subaru Outback H6 Is equipped only with five-stage automatic box (from $48290). In our test participated the same Outback H6, but with the complete set of additional equipment ($49830). Guarantee - 3 years or 100 thousand km of path. Audi Allroad Is supplied for the Russian market in three versions - with the gasoline engines with a volume of 2,7 l (250 hp.) and 4,2 l (300 hp), and also by 180- strong turbodizelem volume 2,5 l. the most accessible Allroad 2.5 tdi with the mechanical box (all-wheel-drive transmission quattro, pneumo-suspension, system ESP, four pillows of safety, climate- control, the heating of front seats, leather salon, audiosistema with D -ce1ndjerom, complete electro-packet, omyvateli of headlights and light-alloy wheels) is sold for 45590 Euro-. In the test participated richly equipped Allroad 2.7 T with the "automaton" Tiptronic (64350 Euro-). Prices of top- model Allroad 4.2 begin with 63000 Euro-. The supplied Russia automobiles Audi are charged by the loing-freeze cooling liquid (to -35°) and are equipped with the protective housing of motor. Guarantee - 2 years without the limitation of path. Volvo XC70 It is proposed only with benzine turbomotorom by a volume of 2,5 l (210 hp). Gearbox - mechanical or five-stage "automaton". XC70 in the base assembly (ABS., traction control, four pillows of safety, preheating front seats, anticreep system, purifier and omyvatel' of headlights, complete electro-packet, the shielding lattice of baggage hold) it is proposed on the price from 40500 Euro-. Machines with the "automaton" to 1300 are Euro- more expensive. The participating in the test automobile taking into account auxiliary equipment "stretched" on 46900 Euro-. Guarantee - 2 years or 100 thousand km of path.

 

[loopy]

Can you figure those out? Looks like they're running them up to redline in each gear, and showing that speed. Seems the Subaru is geared shorter in 5th, but if I'm reading that right it will beat the Audi in 1st.

I don't quite understand why the Volvo graph ends so differently; it seems like it's governed to not go over 4500 in 5th. And I don't know why the Audi and Volvo graphs have a green zone while the Subaru has only a green line.

It seems like the Outback is geared longer than the Audi or the Volvo?

IMO the 5th is overdrive.. so dont think it will spin up to the engine redline? Looks like the gearing graph u get in Gran Turismo.

Isnt the Russian translation funny? 'dimensionless' cup holders?

Thank you altavista Babel Fish Translation

 

[loopy]

Profile Subaru with the descending roof and the "disguised" door counters - is splendid. But our six-cylinder Outback effectively looks still and because it is equipped with the plastic underweight beautiful 17- one inch wheels and painted in the color of body

In order to photograph the block of climate- control, the selector of "automaton" it was necessary to transfer into position Sport. But if selector is located in position Parking, freely governing "climate" it is impossible - lever interfere withs

If "automaton" is transferred into regime Sport, in the window of tachometer the number of the switch oned transfer is reflected. But in the sekvental'nom regime in the window appear the additional pointer- prompts, which as if do remind driver, is it possible in this case - depending on speed - to be switched "upward" or "downward". If driver makes mistakes, buzzer signal is heard

The zigzag cut of the selector of "automaton" makes it possible to govern box blindly. Previous Outback by this brag could not

 

[loopy]

Rear seat Subaru is added into two calculations, forming absolutely flat floor. In the roof - enormous hatchway

Beautiful rear seat proved to be to the surprise close for the automobile of this class

On the design, the quality of surfacing materials and in ergonomics new Subaru does not be inferior to the best European automobiles. In the upper part of the central console - closing eyeglass case. The screen of the navigation system is established in the machines for West Europe instead of it

The deprived of the window framework doors - these are the tradition, and located on the housings of external mirrors repeaters of turn indicators - innovation

Multifunctional three-spoked control Momo - finding designers. But here the cruise- control (it is visible its handle) - thing on our roads is useless

 

[loopy]

Elegant cream skin of seats is characterized by high frictional properties. But the here lateral rollers of back are spread too widely - benefit from them will feel only people of the strong build

Instead of the air ducts in the end of central tunnel they placed the dual "dimensionless" glass-holder

 

[The_Lizard]

I think we may have a new running gag here - Russki Subaru Speak. Have some shots of vodka, read a few pages of this stuff, and then you are ready to look at a Kandinski painting, which will suddenly make sense.

The obscure sensibilities of clarity are becoming pleasantly apparent and altogether not inferior to the inevitable realizations of the plainly seen ...