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I bought a 04 Outback with a broken timing belt for $400.

I'm in the early stages of fixing it.

Since I'm going to be installing a new timing belt what kit do most people use? Hopefully from rockauto.

My plan is to try a new belt if that does't work take off the heads and see the carnage. May just end up replacing the engine.

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most people concentrate on trying to get Japanese bearings in the rollers.

OEM or NTN tensioner

OEM or Mitsuboshi belt

OEM or Aisin waterpump if doing it

some say OEM only on cam/crank seals (brown-colored?)


check rockauto, amazon, on ebay check; mizumoauto or autoeverything(?), , etc

fredbeansparts, subarugenuineparts, subaruparts4you etc are on-line dealers. Local dealer may match prices of on-line dealers.
 

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the toothed idler is often in worse condition than the belt - most folks will replace all the idlers when they do the belt. If the car has a lot of miles (175-200K) or is of unknown background, doing the tensioner and probably the water pump is a good idea too.

it's an interference engine, just doing a belt slap is risky.
 

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is that a 2004 regular EJ251,

or the weirdo 2004 EJ259 california spec?

(see build plate under the hood on the shock tower in front of the driver)
 

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is that a 2004 regular EJ251,

or the weirdo 2004 EJ259 california spec?

(see build plate under the hood on the shock tower in front of the driver)
Its the EJ259. But the engine has been changed at some point.

Whats the difference?
 

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Its the EJ259. But the engine has been changed at some point.

Whats the difference?
from the older EJ251 design, a
Ej259 is like half a step to the later EJ253,

so you get special heads, pistons, intake, exhaust as a single year thing. (and only on legacy and legacy outback)

not fun to find major parts for,....and may present unique diagnostic issues (always have to state it is a cal -spec car,...when doing work, as it has unique sensors).
 

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Well I pulled the heads and found just about all the valves bent. Looking into new heads or new engine. JDM?

It is the EJ259CXFWL engine.
those are only going to be EJ259 heads from 2004 EJ259 cars. (california/ NY spec legacy and legacy outbacks)

poking around yes,...easy to find,...maybe.

a JDM does not have EGR like a 2004 does,,.and not similar at all to a EJ259.

maybe you could find a whole wrecked 2003-2004 Ej251 car with EGR....but you would need to transplant everything from the intake to the exhaust plus the CPU. (earlier 2000-2002 EJ251 did not have EGR,...so you might need all that plus the exhaust too....

(there was a guy trying to transplant a similar weird year 2005 engine in one from NC,...but I don't know if that ever turned out).

so you maybe out looking for another 2004 EJ259 whole engine or just the heads. to make it easy.

Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market and similar.
 

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Thanks. Sounds like getting my current heads rebuilt might be the best option.

I don't have emissions testing here so maybe a JDM engine might be a option.

I have done engine swaps (different types) before so I'm not too intimidated.

Thanks for your help, This is the first subaru.
 

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Thanks. Sounds like getting my current heads rebuilt might be the best option.

I don't have emissions testing here so maybe a JDM engine might be a option.

I have done engine swaps (different types) before so I'm not too intimidated.

Thanks for your help, This is the first subaru.
problem with JDM is you need a ECU, and the exhaust,

so you might as well buy a whole wrecked or rust bucket 2000-2004 legacy / legacy outback
plenty have had head gaskets done already at this late date, ...whereas zero JDM have had them done.
 

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Thanks. Sounds like getting my current heads rebuilt might be the best option.
Call this guy for rebuilt heads:

317-750-0677

Vic Hasstedt
708 Wind Song Trail
Mooresville IN 46158

He is retired military who does Sub engines on the side as a hobby. His prices are very good,
 

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I called Vic he said due to shipping I should look for a local machine shop to do the work.

I found one but they found the drivers side head cracked. So I need a new head.

So if anyone has one let me know.

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I found one on Parts Search - All Foreign Auto Parts

$240 shipped. Little high but I didn't know what other option I had. They are shipping it right to the machine shop who will do A valve job and check over the head.
this minute I see them on car-part.com for $200 plus shipping. (from northeast places that had such cars when new).

so if it is the correct EJ259 unique head,.. ...you did OK.
 
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