Solution: Get rid of the crappy factory tires and your new set will come with lifetime free balance and rotation.
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If the TPMS light remains lit I consider myself warned, but no I need Gov/someone to be responsible. I don’t want the temp gauge, let me have the idiot light (if I can remember between the blue/red indicator). There is no cure for stupid.<O</O
And yet our nanny USDOT/NHTSA is ‘so smart’ to mandate across the nation on how it is applied. Unless manufacturers can devise TPMS that is identical on all cars, there will always be exceptions/loopholes. kpk02 cites a fine example, the shop was in violation since they delivered the car with TPMS malfunctioning (but what else could they do).<O
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</OIf the TPMS light remains lit I consider myself warned, but no I need Gov/someone to be responsible. I don’t want the temp gauge, let me have the idiot light (if I can remember between the blue/red indicator). There is no cure for stupid.<O
</OTPMS - is the result of too many people driving around with under inflated or flat tires till the tire explodes and they end up in a ditch because they were doing 75mph down the highway in a mini van full of kids. Run Flats were a major contributor to this.Fact:
And yet our nanny USDOT/NHTSA is ‘so smart’ to mandate across the nation on how it is applied. Unless manufacturers can devise TPMS that is identical on all cars, there will always be exceptions/loopholes. kpk02 cites a fine example, the shop was in violation since they delivered the car with TPMS malfunctioning (but what else could they do).<O
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If the TPMS light remains lit I consider myself warned, but no I need Gov/someone to be responsible. I don’t want the temp gauge, let me have the idiot light (if I can remember between the blue/red indicator). There is no cure for stupid.<O
I view TPMS like I do all the other fancy crap that has nothing to do with a car thats maintained and used correctly getting you from point A to Point B. In cases where you have shops that don't have the right tech to set up new TPMS sensors as long as they warn the vehicle operator and its in writing they can't be held responsible. However there will no doubt be Stupid people who go back an try to blame someone else for their stupidity at some point.
Which case you may find some shops choosing not to service your tires if reprogramming of "NEW" sensors is needed.
If TPMS was such a high liability then we would have some major problems with cars leaving shops with incomplete repairs - being driven around with engine lights on etc which pose a much higher risk to people than a tire pressure indicator light on the dash.
I put TPMS right up there with Nitrogen filled tires there are enough people out there that think "Nitrogen" filled tires indicated on their shop receipt is mandatory to a working functional vehicle. LOL - when if they hadn't flunked HS Science they would know that everyone's tires are nearly full of Nitrogen to start with.
Not quite, as it fails 49-USC-30122-(b) as it is intended to address (not withstanding the shop’s lawyer accepting that as policy).
The shop (legally) should’ve, from a posted/typ scenario… a.) Refused service as you stated, b.) Threw the winter set in the back or c.) Used/transferred the oem TPMS sensors to the winter set.
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</OWhat’s constant to the law is the car came in with TPMS ‘fully functioning’, it can only be released in the same condition – that’s why the law. My point to the whole mandate again, TPMS' don’t have identical stds to make implementation 100% practical.<O
</OWhat’s even funnier, if you had the shop mount a repaired flat (w/o ‘reprogramming’ FWIW), the TPMS would remain lit until 2 miles down the road. So they would’ve delivered the car malfunctioning, failing the TPMS regulation.
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</OPrime example of a law that will not ever be enforced at the tire end of the program.What’s even funnier, if you had the shop mount a repaired flat (w/o ‘reprogramming’ FWIW), the TPMS would remain lit until 2 miles down the road. So they would’ve delivered the car malfunctioning, failing the TPMS regulation.
Again, stupid law.<O
The only time such thing will be enforced is during vehicle inspections as part of the registration process. Same applies to the engine error code light.
I'm not sure about 2013 Subarus as I don't think we have serviced one yet, but I know that there are very few vehicles that we have been unable to service TPMS sensors on. Our scanner works on just about everything and receives regular updates. At one point we had problems with Hyundai and Kia products, an update to our scanner's firmware remedied that. Most shops here in Western PA that change many tires have a similar scanner.
I only found "tire monkey" offensive because I work with a lot of good people who change tires for a living and bust their hump day in and day out. Go change a set of six 225/70R19.5 steel sidewall tires and then tell me how you feel
. It is by no means an easy job, it requires a lot more strength and a lot more know how than most people realize. Especially in the winter when after you do the first car you are soaked and chilled to the bone from melting snow, you can't feel your hands, and your day is just getting started, and there is already a 4+ hour wait for customers the line is so long. Torque is checked on every vehicle that leaves our shop, twice. This is a standard set in place by the TIA. I would like to think most shops follow TIA standards. All of our Tire Techs are certified through the TIA.
I do NOT change tires for a living. I was in retail sales until very recently, I currently am working on a digital marketing project for our business partner. When I was in sales I had to understand everything in a way that I could communicate to the customer and it would make sense... torque, tire pressure, TPMS, tread depths, vehicle systems, brakes, wheels... etc. It was the techs job to figure out the problem, it was my job to explain it to a customer in a way they could understand. This is why I also had to be TIA certified. I've also been through Goodyear Tire & Service Boot Camp.
Last yr was in DiscountTire for a winter set for my Accord and had them mounted/installed. With my car raised I approached the service writer and, “I take it you don’t use torque wrenches”. He then hurried out and next thing the tech appeared with a torque wrench with me watching through the window. U-huh, made me feel special. This is different than in an Ind custom wheel shop, even had the torque specs on the order.<O</O
TIA stds isn’t the problem, it’s the shop that makes/breaks it.<O</O
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On tangent, it appears the 2013 still has the 2010-12 TPMS programming by ‘dealer only’. On a NA Sym-AWD vehicle that can only accept 1 set of TPMS IDs, scratching my head on that one.<O</O
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</OOn tangent, it appears the 2013 still has the 2010-12 TPMS programming by ‘dealer only’. On a NA Sym-AWD vehicle that can only accept 1 set of TPMS IDs, scratching my head on that one.<O
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