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hey all,

getting ready to test out amsoil's SSO 0W-20 for more or less a 12-15k miles/1 year OCI (will check oil regularly etc of course) but I was wondering - for those of you 2013 outbacks, do you guys know if Amsoil has an equivalent oil filter? Right now it's listed as no product recommended, so I'm not sure if I should just buy the oil and then get a filter from the Subie dealership or what.

Also, do you guys think running an extended OCI with Amsoil is potential for a warranty issue later down the line if there is a failure? Thanks
 

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Subaru's filter for the 2.5 2013 outback has a higher bypass design than most. The oil filter aftermarket really hasn't caught up yet, and high capacity oil filters aftermarket filters are not readily available. For your 5/60 warranty period I would stick to Subaru filters and 0w-20 synthetic oil with 7500mi oil changes. You can still use any oil that meets the specs. Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 is a lot cheaper than Amsoil, about $25/5qt at Walmart. Even Subaru oil at the dealer is cheaper. If you use Subaru bucks you can get all of your maintenance done free too :)

It's hardly worth the risk of voiding your warranty just to save a little on maintenance. The Subaru oil filters are not designed for extended drain intervals anyway. I'd wait until you are past the warranty period and hopefully high capacity filters will be available then.
 

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Subaru's filter for the 2.5 2013 outback has a higher bypass design than most. The oil filter aftermarket really hasn't caught up yet, and high capacity oil filters aftermarket filters are not readily available. For your 5/60 warranty period I would stick to Subaru filters and 0w-20 synthetic oil with 7500mi oil changes. You can still use any oil that meets the specs. Mobil 1 AFE 0w20 is a lot cheaper than Amsoil, about $25/5qt at Walmart. Even Subaru oil at the dealer is cheaper. If you use Subaru bucks you can get all of your maintenance done free too :)

It's hardly worth the risk of voiding your warranty just to save a little on maintenance. The Subaru oil filters are not designed for extended drain intervals anyway. I'd wait until you are past the warranty period and hopefully high capacity filters will be available then.
gotcha, thanks for the info
 

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just to confirm though, there IS a risk of voiding warranty going with a longer OCI? even like 10k miles?
 

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just to confirm though, there IS a risk of voiding warranty going with a longer OCI? even like 10k miles?
Yes. The maintenance schedule is actually a schedule, and 7500 means 7500......it does not mean 10,000-15,000, or when you get around to it.
 

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Yes. The maintenance schedule is actually a schedule, and 7500 means 7500......it does not mean 10,000-15,000, or when you get around to it.
gotcha.. didn't know subaru dealerships were that stringent.
 

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gotcha.. didn't know subaru dealerships were that stringent.
Every auto manufacturer is the same way. They don't have a "unless you use Amsoil" clause in their maintenance schedule. ;)
 

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Every auto manufacturer is the same way. They don't have a "unless you use Amsoil" clause in their maintenance schedule. ;)
lol well i figured in case of something breaking down they'll try to find whatever they can to void the warranty, even if i had UOAs for every oil change.
 

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I've been running extended service intervals with Amsoil for 35 years, including many new vehicles under warranty. Provided the engine is mechanically sound, there are simply no issues - the oil works exactly as advertised (several of my oil analyses are posted in this forum). In vehicles under warranty, I also take used oil samples at the end of a 15,000 mile change interval and have them tested. This is done mainly to make sure the engines functioning normally. This is the procedure I'd recommend for new vehicles under warranty. Once you've established a suitable service interval, there is no need to do oil analysis, unless you strongly suspect a mechanical issue.

As for the filter, Amsoil does not yet spec one for this application. I'd recommend using the OEM filter and changing it halfway through (6000-7500 miles or six months), your anticipated service interval for the oil.

If you have any further questions, please PM or email me....

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I've been running extended service intervals with Amsoil for 35 years, including many new vehicles under warranty. Provided the engine is mechanically sound, there are simply no issues - the oil works exactly as advertised (several of my oil analyses are posted in this forum). In vehicles under warranty, I also take used oil samples at the end of a 15,000 mile change interval and have them tested. This is done mainly to make sure the engines functioning normally. This is the procedure I'd recommend for new vehicles under warranty. Once you've established a suitable service interval, there is no need to do oil analysis, unless you strongly suspect a mechanical issue.

As for the filter, Amsoil does not yet spec one for this application. I'd recommend using the OEM filter and changing it halfway through (6000-7500 miles or six months), your anticipated service interval for the oil.

If you have any further questions, please PM or email me....

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All that is wonderful.......Until the motor pukes, and you expect a warrantied repair or replacement. Following the manufacturer's maintenance schedule leaves less room for them to weasel out.

I take it you have never had a motor go boom during the warranty period. If you do, I hope Amsoil steps up and covers the repairs......Because it is unlikely the manufacturer will......Even if it was not a lubrication failure. Good luck.
 

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I use Amsoil in my 2013 outback. Don't waste your money on the SSO line while in the warranty period. I use the XL 0w20 and OEM filter. Never had any issues with this oil and the Subaru doesn't burn a drop. Once the warranty is up I'll start using the sso. If you become a preferred customer the oil is cheaper.
 

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Stock engines don't go "boom" within the warranty period without an obvious mechanical problem. Modern manufacturing techniques are such that any potential issues affect a whole bunch of engines, ie it would not be some random occurrence. So, in the extremely unlikely event a Subaru engine were to fail under warranty, the engine oil would only be a potential root cause if the operator allowed the oil level to run low for an extended period of time.

Of course, as one of the previous listers has posted, Amsoil does make less expensive oils intended for shorter service intervals. Since the Subaru oil filter is not designed for 15,000 mile service interval, using one of the OE or XL synthetics is certainly a viable option.

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i'm a preferred customer, just using sso during the warranty period anyway. it costs the same to buy this oil and have the dealer change it with their oil filter, just paying for filter and labor. doesn't void warranty and i'm running the sso instead of whatever it is subaru has (im the op)
 

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The Amsoil 0w-30 will certainly work very well. You could actually drain it out of your Subaru after 7500 miles, put it in another vehicle and safely run it for another 5k-7.5k miles. Changing their top tier, "Signature Series" synthetics every 7500 miles is complete overkill - like buying a new set of Michelins every 25,000 miles....

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The Amsoil 0w-30 will certainly work very well. You could actually drain it out of your Subaru after 7500 miles, put it in another vehicle and safely run it for another 5k-7.5k miles. Changing their top tier, "Signature Series" synthetics every 7500 miles is complete overkill - like buying a new set of Michelins every 25,000 miles....

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haha - i wont be dumping the old oil back in for changes, but i figured it's the same price to run amsoil sso as it is to run the dealers, so the choice is clear. i guess i could always save money going with a lower version of it though
 

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Kyoo,

Your engine calls for a 0w-20, and Amsoil does make three different synthetic versions of this:

OE good for 7500 miles, or change based on Oil Life Monitor (OLM)
XL good for 10,000 miles, or change based on OLM
Signature Series good for 15,000-25,000 miles depending on severity of service (I'd stick with 15,000 max, unless you do oil analysis testing.)

If you were sticking with 7500 mile oil & filter changes, the Amsoil XL 0w-20 would be a good choice. It will allow you to safely run 7500 miles even under "severe service" conditions and still have some margin of safety. Of course there's nothing wrong with using their top tier stuff either. The difference is ~ $7.50 per oil change if you buy oil by the case.

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Kyoo,

Have you considered one of the other premium filters, such as the NAPA Platinum or Mobil 1?

I realize that most Amsoil users are pretty loyal to Amsoil, but from the research I have done, these filters are pretty similar to Amsoil filters in performance. They also have synthetic filtration media, and similar Beta Ratio data. The NAPA filter in particular is a great value when considering that it's construction is up to par with other premium filters, but it is priced under $8.
 

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Kyoo,

Have you considered one of the other premium filters, such as the NAPA Platinum or Mobil 1?

I realize that most Amsoil users are pretty loyal to Amsoil, but from the research I have done, these filters are pretty similar to Amsoil filters in performance. They also have synthetic filtration media, and similar Beta Ratio data. The NAPA filter in particular is a great value when considering that it's construction is up to par with other premium filters, but it is priced under $8.
Thanks for the info - I usually order amsoil filters for the convenience (as i order the oil at the same time) - but I've seen tests where certain filters perform as well if not better: The OFFICIAL Oil Filter Testing and Results Thread (4G63T/4B11T) - evolutionm.net

actually though, for the outback we are using the oem filter, as i wasn't aware there were aftermarket options as of yet.
 

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For 7500 mile oil changes I'd use something less expensive than the Amsoil oil filter, unless you plan to run just the oil for 7.5k miles and the filters for 15k miles. I know a number of people who do that with vehicles under warranty.

For 7500 miles an OEM or WIX filter works very nicely.

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Thanks for the info - I usually order amsoil filters for the convenience (as i order the oil at the same time) - but I've seen tests where certain filters perform as well if not better: The OFFICIAL Oil Filter Testing and Results Thread (4G63T/4B11T) - evolutionm.net

actually though, for the outback we are using the oem filter, as i wasn't aware there were aftermarket options as of yet.
Here are the aftermarket oil filter options I have found so far, for the '13 2.5. I cannot recall for the Purolator, but all the rest except for the OE, are built with synthetic filtration media. There are quite a few basic, paper based equivalent filters out there also, but I'm not considering them, so they are not included below.

Subaru 15208AA15A
K&N PS1010
Mobil 1 M1-110
Fram Xtra Guard XG7317
Purolator L14615
NAPA Platinum PFL 41334
 
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