The wheels you like (standard on the Touring trim) were also the design used on the 2015-17 Outback Limited trim. Your should be able to find plenty of used examples.Daniel..... Thank again for the great post. I will definitely check out the two sites you recommended, but I've got a question.... I've been studying the OEM wheel options and, quite frankly, I like the wheels that came from the factory on other OBs in 2019 (other than 3.6R). Specifically, they look like 10-spoke wheels because all of the spokes are the same width (unlike ours). I'll post a photo, if I can figure out how, but the question is why the wheels I'm describing are spec'd differently? Ours are spec's as 5 x 114.3 and the ones that I like, on the other hand, are spec'd as 5 x 115?
They're both supposed to be 2019 OEM Outback wheels, so I'm at a loss. Would Subaru have changed the spindles on different OB models in the same model year?
Here are the wheels that we presently have:
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Here are the wheels that I like more:
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Ken..... Well, bearing in mind that I was driving my wife's baby when this happened, finding "...plenty of used examples" isn't really that important here. Her car was pristine before I did my Swedish World Rally thing and she wants it back that way, so new or professionally refurbished is the order of the day here.The wheels you like (standard on the Touring trim) were also the design used on the 2015-17 Outback Limited trim. Your should be able to find plenty of used examples.
The stock wheels are 7 inch width, the aftermarket ones are 8 inch, thus the different offset that will end up fitting perfectly. 15mm is 3/5 of an inch, so you’re splitting the difference. The overall width of the tires hasn’t changed.Daniel..... First, thanks for all of the help. I took a look at your suggestions and, in short, I prefer the Liquid Metal Splice wheels over the Konig Crown wheels.
If you take a look at the spec tables I posted earlier, in Post No. 18 (above), you will see that both of the OEM wheels that I am comparing, the Touring and the Limited, are spec'd as having a positive offset of 55mm. The Liquid Metal Splice wheels, on the other hand, are spec's at either 40mm or 42mm.
I'm certainly no aftermarket wheel expert, but doesn't less positive offset mean that the inside of the tire is closer to the wheel well liner? A wider wheel and a less positive offset has me wondering about tire rub and/or changes in handling. What are your thoughts on this?
EDIT: My reading is now telling me that I may have the concept of offset wrong. Now I'm reading that the more positive the offset -- I.E., 55mm vs 40mm -- the closer the inside of the tire is to the inside of the wheel well. Regardless, feel free to take me to wheel school. It's about time that I learn something about this..
Daniel..... There's no need to explain. You've been one for he most helpful posters to this thread and, like I've said, I'm new to wheel/tire mania. I spent too many years working overseas for Uncle Sam, so a lot off things like this -- and consumer communications technology -- have simply passed me by.The stock wheels are 7 inch width, the aftermarket ones are 8 inch, thus the different offset that will end up fitting perfectly. 15mm is 3/5 of an inch, so you’re splitting the difference. The overall width of the tires hasn’t changed.
It sounds like you really want to stick with the stock wheels, which is fine. If the damage is cosmetic great, but if not and you can wait I’m sure you’ll find used ones. Otherwise just pay the $$ and buy new matching OEM wheels. The reason I chimed in was because a lot of people put new wheels on and sell their old ones, so I was just trying to raise awareness of options you could explore for similar or even less $$.
Flat6..... I appreciate all of your thoughts on tires. Which tires would you be looking for to use on a bone stock 2019 OB 3.6R Limited if you want to have handling that's as good as stock, but want to have decent tread wear? If we decide that we're having too much trouble with our snow, we'll look into wheels and tires that we'll install in the snow months. In other words, I'm presently looking for tires that will allow for everything we like about out 2019 OB: great ride, great handling (especially in the wet) but a bit more tread life that we got with the factory Bridgestone Duellers.If you want a tire that performs well and has a 3 snow rating (aka 4 season tire) look into the BFGoodrich Advantage Sport T/A, or the Falken ZE950s. I currently have the General Gmax AS-05 and while they are awesome in dry performance, I'm looking next for a tire that will be better in snow. I did fine given we had the most snowfall on record in Nebraska for awhile.
Honestly, and this is just my opinion, if you have a good all-season tire that can handle some snow you don't NEED winter tires or wheels. Just a lot more money and hassle. I have driven in the snow belt for over 25 years in various cars. If you are careful driving the Outback with all-seasons you will be fine. Snow tires do give the best traction, but aren't completely necessary if you know how to drive carefully, especially in turns and braking. I know I'll get flamed for this, but that's just my thoughts.
And yes I have used snow tires for other cars, but that was for a 440hp RWD muscle car that was a stick shift. Despite the power, and RWD the snow tires made it easy in the snow. For a lower powered AWD Outback a good set of all-seasons may be fine. Look at the Toyo Celius or Nokian WG4s if you want extra confidence in the snow/ice.
SilverOnyx..... Yeah, that's what I've suspected. There's simply no friggin' way that Subaru is going to manufacture and install two different hubs for the same (general) model vehicle in the same model year.There is no such thing as 5x115 mm Subaru lug nut spacing. It's really 5x4.5 inches and that's why it's the weird sounding 114.3 mm.
I dd that and, quite frankly, they were non-committal....a.k.a., everybody's an amateur lawyer now. Regardless, I got the [strong] feeling that he doubted the existence of a Subaru wheel with a 5 x 115 bolt pattern, which goes along with what I've suspected: Subaru did not manufacture two separate hubs/spindles for the same model vehicle in the same model year. In my very humble opinion, It wouldn't be good business to do something like that.Call the local Subaru parts department and ask.
Dyngwal..... Do you happen to have a favorite tire that you use in the warmer months?All Gen 5s are 5 x 114.3. It may be more cost effective to have a local shop just repair the damaged rims if you’re looking at OEM refurbs anyways. A decent shop can do it and you won’t know the difference, and at least you’ll know the extent of the damage on your refurbished rims. Short of that pick up a set in the classified section.
The Subaru parts department certainly didn't say that Subaru made the 5 x 115 wheels, but he also didn't clearly deny it. Like I said, a lot of people are preoccupied with legal issues these days, so a straight answer is hard to come by. Regardless, I'm probably going to buy 18" OEM wheels for our 3.6R, so now it's all about non-winter tires. Any thoughts?Even if you called and someone told you there is a 5x115 lug pattern for a Subaru they would be wrong and probably just reading from some erroneous piece of paper. It doesn't exist.
SilverOnyx..... Thanks for the post. I'm very glad to read that we wouldn't have any issues with it, and more to the point, that it's not a "specialized" tire. The plan is to purchase a set of tires we can use for most of the year now and, in the meantime, save up for a set of actual snow tires for the cold months. I guess that spending several hours pulling our 3.6R out of that snow bank was more than enough for me. Thanks again ~ RedI'm sure it's a fine tire and there are no rotation issues but it doesn't have the three peak mountain snowflake for what it's worth. That designation doesn't mean a tire is equivalent to a winter tire but its superior to your average all season.