w/out knowing the definition of the codes, i'd gamble on the fuel cap throwing it.
3 days old and CEL on!!!! WTF
Purchased on Wed, 3.6 limited, now with 250 miles. Car sat in driveway last night. This am, turned on, flashing brake light, VDC, eyesight, lane warning off, cEL on... Scanned codes p0700, p1843 pop up. Drove it about 10 miles. Turned off and sat for about 5 mins. Turned back on, CEL off, brake light no longer flashing but still stored codes in system????? Any ideas. Having it towed to dealer right now.
Updated- they are telling me that code stored is for transmission fluid sensor which is still stored, but since light isnt on they dont know how to diagnose???? Tell me flashing brake light is associated with this as well??? Still trying to research how to troubleshoot.
Updated- they are telling me that code stored is for transmission fluid sensor which is still stored, but since light isnt on they dont know how to diagnose???? Tell me flashing brake light is associated with this as well??? Still trying to research how to troubleshoot.
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The codes are both transmission related, so I'm not sure that would be the cause here.w/out knowing the definition of the codes, i'd gamble on the fuel cap throwing it.
that's why you have a warranty, let them figure it out. if it's 3 days old there's nothing acceptable about it so it's on them.
End result- Nothing found except a code. CEL went off, they say corporate tech not avail on saturday so they will call on monday...Tried to blame the rain storm last night. Give me a break- Want me to bring it back to them next week for more diagnostics- Already put in a call to SOA to talk about options. Not too happy about a 3 day old car popping codes.
At 3 days old, and the crappy level of service they've shown you so far, I would seriously consider making them take the car back. At the least, they should comp you some oil changes for the drama.
At 3 days old, and the crappy level of service they've shown you so far, I would seriously consider making them take the car back. At the least, they should comp you some oil changes for the drama.
Already asked for that via SOA...Asked for a new car- I love my Subaru(this is second one but never had issues with first) and I cant fathom having to deal with living with a car that pops a code at 250 miles. If its a noise or even if it appeared after 6 or more months then I would be more forgiving but not 3 days...
Could be worse. A friend of mine, bought a brand new 78 Horizon, blew the transmission driving it off the lot.
Rain/moisture can play havoc with computers
If you are unhappy now, you will NEVER like this OB. Ditch it before you spend anymore time/trouble.
Rain/moisture can play havoc with computers
If you are unhappy now, you will NEVER like this OB. Ditch it before you spend anymore time/trouble.
Yeah I don't know how confident I'd be if it threw tranny codes at 250 miles. Something is wrong, or else it wouldn't have done it. Bad sensor, bad wiring to the sensor...something didn't work correctly, regardless if the transmission fluid is fine. Makes you question everything else.
...ditto!...that's why you have a warranty, let them figure it out. if it's 3 days old there's nothing acceptable about it so it's on them.
Hey subyblue...sounding kinda trollish there. I was unhappy with my first OB due to the shake issue...extremely unhappy. Now the the problem is gone I am extremely happy with my OB....so...just saying....just because there is problem does not mean that it can't be fixed and one can love their car...Could be worse. A friend of mine, bought a brand new 78 Horizon, blew the transmission driving it off the lot.
Rain/moisture can play havoc with computers
If you are unhappy now, you will NEVER like this OB. Ditch it before you spend anymore time/trouble.
Possibly, but still, the OP has already asked for a new car, and I'm sorry, but things happen. It is, in fact, a machine, irrespective of how much attention and affection we lavish upon it. But call it a symptom of age....ditto!...
Hey subyblue...sounding kinda trollish there. I was unhappy with my first OB due to the shake issue...extremely unhappy. Now the the problem is gone I am extremely happy with my OB....so...just saying....just because there is problem does not mean that it can't be fixed and one can love their car...
Hate to say it, but CELs anymore are pretty meaningless. Cars will throw them for pretty much any minor hiccup, even when the issue is a momentary one. Loose gas cap? CEL. One tiny and momentary misfire? CEL. They are just about becoming like the boy who cried wolf.
I used to have a Nissan. A few days after I bought it, it threw a CEL while I was plugging in a trailer wiring harness to check trailer lights, and it was during a thunderstorm. I guess the computer thought the sky was falling, so it threw two codes for some exhaust system sensor. I borrowed a code reader from Autozone, looked up the code, decided it was nothing, so I cleared it and kept going. Car ran great until I traded it in.
I have a code reader now. If a CEL pops and I don't think it's a big deal, or if I don't see flames from under the hood, I clear it and keep going. But if the car is behaving strangely, has weird smells, or some other abnormal thing going on, then yeah, I'd take it in to a dealership.
I used to have a Nissan. A few days after I bought it, it threw a CEL while I was plugging in a trailer wiring harness to check trailer lights, and it was during a thunderstorm. I guess the computer thought the sky was falling, so it threw two codes for some exhaust system sensor. I borrowed a code reader from Autozone, looked up the code, decided it was nothing, so I cleared it and kept going. Car ran great until I traded it in.
I have a code reader now. If a CEL pops and I don't think it's a big deal, or if I don't see flames from under the hood, I clear it and keep going. But if the car is behaving strangely, has weird smells, or some other abnormal thing going on, then yeah, I'd take it in to a dealership.
I am not going to discount your experience, but you should bear in mind that this is not necessarily everyone's experience.Hate to say it, but CELs anymore are pretty meaningless. Cars will throw them for pretty much any minor hiccup, even when the issue is a momentary one. Loose gas cap? CEL. One tiny and momentary misfire? CEL. They are just about becoming like the boy who cried wolf.
I used to have a Nissan. A few days after I bought it, it threw a CEL while I was plugging in a trailer wiring harness to check trailer lights, and it was during a thunderstorm. I guess the computer thought the sky was falling, so it threw two codes for some exhaust system sensor. I borrowed a code reader from Autozone, looked up the code, decided it was nothing, so I cleared it and kept going. Car ran great until I traded it in.
CELs date back to...maybe 1980 or 1981, IIRC.
And yet, I have only had a CEL glowing on one occasion, and that was very briefly with my '02 Outback 3.0 VDC, as a result of the failure of the purge valve for the evaporative emissions system. I drove directly to my Subaru dealer, where they replaced the purge valve, cleared the code, and I drove off in about 30 minutes with no more CEL for the remaining 9 years that I owned the car.
My '81 Chevy Citation (one of the notorious X-cars) never lit up the CEL.
My '86 Taurus never lit up the CEL.
My '92 Accord never lit up the CEL.
My '97 Outback never lit up the CEL.
My '11 Outback has never lit up the CEL (so far!)
I have noticed that many people seem to think that it is normal for cars to have a CEL lit up for almost the entire time that they own their car, despite the fact that it is not normal.
In a similar fashion, many of the parents of my HS counselees would tell me that, "all HS kids have arrest records", despite the reality that in my neck of the woods, only about 5% of the students actually had arrest records. What they did not realize was that all of their child's friends might have had arrest records, but that was a reflection of the type of friends that their child cultivated, and not representative of the community at large.
For your own sake, please don't convince yourself that it is "normal" for cars to have the CEL lit up, because this is usually just not true for a well-maintained car.
I'm with the others, and especially Subyblue on the concept that things happen. And yes, when a CEL is triggered, it will light up other warning lights -- there's lots of threads here about this phenomenon. It's the way Subaru does it (and perhaps others).
That said, the P0700 is simply a code that indicates the transmission control module has detected a problem, and has signalled the engine control module to turn on the CEL. From the FSM, for P1843:
DTC P1843 TRANSMISSION FLUID PRESSURE SENSOR SWITCH D CIRCUIT
DTC DETECTING CONDITION:
Direct clutch oil pressure switch malfunction.
TROUBLE SYMPTOM:
Excessive shift shock
NOTE:
Refer to DTC P0766 for diagnostic procedure. <Ref. to 5AT(diag)-71, DTC P0766 SHIFT SOLENOID “D”
PERFORMANCE OR STUCK OFF, Diagnostic Procedure with Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC).>
Basically, what this is saying is that the TCM had commanded a particular action by the direct clutch solenoid (control oil pressure for the direct clutch), but the related pressure sensor (monitors to make sure the desired oil pressure is reached) didn't confirm the action.
In many cases, when a fault code is recorded, even after the fault has been corrected or disappeared and the related warning lights go out, the code will remain in memory, in some cases up to 40 full drive cycles.
It could have been just a single, never-to-be repeated glitch. It happens.
That said, the P0700 is simply a code that indicates the transmission control module has detected a problem, and has signalled the engine control module to turn on the CEL. From the FSM, for P1843:
DTC P1843 TRANSMISSION FLUID PRESSURE SENSOR SWITCH D CIRCUIT
DTC DETECTING CONDITION:
Direct clutch oil pressure switch malfunction.
TROUBLE SYMPTOM:
Excessive shift shock
NOTE:
Refer to DTC P0766 for diagnostic procedure. <Ref. to 5AT(diag)-71, DTC P0766 SHIFT SOLENOID “D”
PERFORMANCE OR STUCK OFF, Diagnostic Procedure with Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC).>
Basically, what this is saying is that the TCM had commanded a particular action by the direct clutch solenoid (control oil pressure for the direct clutch), but the related pressure sensor (monitors to make sure the desired oil pressure is reached) didn't confirm the action.
In many cases, when a fault code is recorded, even after the fault has been corrected or disappeared and the related warning lights go out, the code will remain in memory, in some cases up to 40 full drive cycles.
It could have been just a single, never-to-be repeated glitch. It happens.
I guess my big issue is, now Ive had this car for 2.5 days, drove it off the lot after making note of paint damage caused by misaligned impacting fuel door which will rust eventually- I assume this is a few day repair ie take off parts, fender, repair etc. That means a few days for that, now this issue exists and who knows if they find an answer. So now Im looking at close to a week of shop time already on a car Ive owned for less than 3 days. Not acceptable.
I didn't have one in my '00 Honda until this year, when it came on after an oil change. The service writer cleared the code and it has never been back. Code was for an O2 sensor, which I could believe seeing the car has nearly 200k on it, but apparently its failure is not imminent. Either way, I don't see CELs as a "no big deal" kind of thing.I am not going to discount your experience, but you should bear in mind that this is not necessarily everyone's experience.
CELs date back to...maybe 1980 or 1981, IIRC.
And yet, I have only had a CEL glowing on one occasion, and that was very briefly with my '02 Outback 3.0 VDC, as a result of the failure of the purge valve for the evaporative emissions system. I drove directly to my Subaru dealer, where they replaced the purge valve, cleared the code, and I drove off in about 30 minutes with no more CEL for the remaining 9 years that I owned the car.
My '81 Chevy Citation (one of the notorious X-cars) never lit up the CEL.
My '86 Taurus never lit up the CEL.
My '92 Accord never lit up the CEL.
My '97 Outback never lit up the CEL.
My '11 Outback has never lit up the CEL (so far!)
I have noticed that many people seem to think that it is normal for cars to have a CEL lit up for almost the entire time that they own their car, despite the fact that it is not normal.
In a similar fashion, many of the parents of my HS counselees would tell me that, "all HS kids have arrest records", despite the reality that in my neck of the woods, only about 5% of the students actually had arrest records. What they did not realize was that all of their child's friends might have had arrest records, but that was a reflection of the type of friends that their child cultivated, and not representative of the community at large.
For your own sake, please don't convince yourself that it is "normal" for cars to have the CEL lit up, because this is usually just not true for a well-maintained car.
Same happened to my 2013 3.6 at about 250 miles. I had made about a 110 degree left turn at very slow speed and the all wheel system put it self into a no wheel drive system. The dash went nuts. Coasted over to the side, and turned off the the engine. When the all wheel put itself into neutral you could here the the drive shafts and axles unload from the torque binding. Restarted and and half the warning dash lights went off. So I drove it home and pulled several codes, none of which made any since when I called the dealer. We talked it overPurchased on Wed, 3.6 limited, now with 250 miles. Car sat in driveway last night. This am, turned on, flashing brake light, VDC, eyesight, lane warning off, cEL on... Scanned codes p0700, p1843 pop up. Drove it about 10 miles. Turned off and sat for about 5 mins. Turned back on, CEL off, brake light no longer flashing but still stored codes in system????? Any ideas. Having it towed to dealer right now.
Updated- they are telling me that code stored is for transmission fluid sensor which is still stored, but since light isnt on they dont know how to diagnose???? Tell me flashing brake light is associated with this as well??? Still trying to research how to troubleshoot.
and came to the conclusion that the AWD system
So I drove it home and pulled several codes, none of which made any since when I called the dealer. We talked it over
and came to the conclusion that the AWD system...
Is this a cliff hanger?
When do we get the rest of the story?
...I hear ya on the symptom of age thing...I think I have become a little more jaded...about some things...as I have gotten older...and I did have to jump through some hoops to get satisfaction with the first OB...and it took over a year...so yup...I hear ya. :29:Possibly, but still, the OP has already asked for a new car, and I'm sorry, but things happen. It is, in fact, a machine, irrespective of how much attention and affection we lavish upon it. But call it a symptom of age.
If you have a good dealer it goes a long way in solving the issue and thankfully that is what happened in my case.
everything else being equal i would prefer that over a 3 month or 3 year old car popping a code. it doesn't seem that surprising to have some initial blips that are benign due to priming, wear in, break in, etc, where as later on they likely take on a more symptomatic nature.Not too happy about a 3 day old car popping codes.
nonetheless - an expensive risk you probably shouldn't have to take and surely subaru does all they can to not have that happen on such a new vehicle too - the responsibility still seems to fall on them....
is there a way to document it in case this code or related issue ever come up again or is a new car the only solution you see at this point?
check engine light is not a big deal. there are lots of codes that are benign and the car will run forever with (a previous poster's oxygen sensor is probably one of them - likely a P0420 code - none of the computers in the car even use that data at all to run the vehicle). the only risk with ignoring the light is that if the light is on you won't know if it "comes on again" so to speak due to something else. other than that there are plenty of codes that are easily ignored.
i'm not saying i suggest ignoring it, it just doesn't matter, it's a tool that's all. there's no value in debating the importance of the light, folks can decide what fits for them and there are plenty of folks that can ignore it with no ill effect.
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