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Today when I dropped off my 2011 to get the CVT looked at, the dealer had a CPO 2014 3.6 on the lot. Apparently it’s been there for a month.

Any known issues about the 3.6 for 2014? The last year for the 5EAT with it... I’m pretty happy with my 2.5 Gen4 now except for the power difference between the 4 and 6. Just wondering if I should pursue it any farther.

All CPO come with the 7/100 warranty so I should be okay for a couple years. This one in particular only has around 32k miles. As long as the 30k has been done, I’m pretty interested.

There is no EyeSight but I’m ignorant since I don’t have it in my car presently. One owner, clean carfax and title.

I think I could probably haggle it towards around 10k net out of pocket after my trade.

It’s also not my favorite color combo. It looks like it is some Blue and Ivory interior. But, can’t go to the “used” car factory.
 

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i have a 2014 3.6 i bought in december of 2013.
i have had only one issue. the third brake light had a water leak. a twenty minute do it yourself fix.
other than that i have had zero issues. the car runs perfectly after 25k miles.
most of my driving is three trips from new england to virginia every year.
the car is great on the freeway, very zippy for a station wagon.
 

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you could put seat covers over the ivory.

nice find though,
 
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My extensive research during most of 2015 pointed to the 3.6R / 5EAT combination as by far the best bang-for-the-buck with these Outbacks. In early November 2015 I found our current 2013 3.6R on a local car lot and made a good deal on it. It had 25,500 miles on the clock and the appropriate service history. It is now approaching 40,000 miles. All I have had to do to it is the normal routine maintenance (along with fixing the leaking high-mount brake light assembly as previously mentioned). The vehicle has done everything we have asked it to do and more. I could not be more pleased with it (although I do wish it was white instead of graphite grey, but I did not let the color combination keep me from grabbing it).

For added long-term transmission insurance protection I do a 5EAT ATF drain-and-fill every 30,000 miles because fresh ATF is always a good thing. Takes about 20 minutes and $35 worth of Subaru HP ATF. A no-brainer in my opinion.

If the service history is present for the 3.6R you are considering, make your best deal on it. You will not be disappointed.
 

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The Subaru CPO warranty really doesn't buy much, an additional 2 years and 40k miles of power train warranty. Be nice if they added some additional bumper to bumper warranty like that available from some other makes.
 

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My extensive research during most of 2015 pointed to the 3.6R / 5EAT combination as by far the best bang-for-the-buck with these Outbacks. .
maybe missing a word in the above. (edit: whoops on my part).

but a 2014 3.6 the last US spec year of the great 5EAT,

a 2015 is a "high torque" CVT with a 100,000 warranty.
that can hopefully be rebuilt / swapped and remanned with 2016 style parts BEFORE the warranty runs out.:frown2:
 

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My extensive research during most of 2015 pointed to the 3.6R / 5EAT combination as by far the best bang-for-the-buck with these Outbacks. .
maybe missing a word in the above.

but a 2014 3.6 the last US spec year of the great 5EAT,

a 2015 is a "high torque" CVT with a 100,000 warranty.
that can hopefully be rebuilt / swapped and remanned with 2016 style parts BEFORE the warranty runs out.<img src="http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/images/SubaruOutback_2014/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
I don’t think that the CVT chain itself is the problem. Isn’t an issue with the oil pumps, same extended CVT coverage as the Gen4/early Gen5?

Seat covers are an interesting idea. Didn’t consider that. Hmm.
 

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i have a 2014 3.6 i bought in december of 2013.
i have had only one issue. the third brake light had a water leak. a twenty minute do it yourself fix.
other than that i have had zero issues. the car runs perfectly after 25k miles.
most of my driving is three trips from new england to virginia every year.
the car is great on the freeway, very zippy for a station wagon.
I’ve actually already done the third brake light fix on my car already, a 2011. Hopefully the clear permatex rtv is permanent.

I see a lot of issues with the rear backup camera on Gen4’s but mine is in my mirror and it seems like the 2014 has it built into the entertainment console. Wonder if the wiring is any better.
 

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I don’t think that the CVT chain itself is the problem. Isn’t an issue with the oil pumps, same extended CVT coverage as the Gen4/early Gen5?

Seat covers are an interesting idea. Didn’t consider that. Hmm.
15s glut the dealers used now . maybe you get lucky and the torque converter craps out at a stop light when you are test driving.

or find a 2015 3.6 with a reman transmission in it already....but the old 5EAT still seems to be the top dog in a hill climb competition.

you can re-read this lady's posts on the subject of her 2015 3.6, ...(lots off good info in multiple posts).
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...rranty-extension-2010-15-a-2.html#post5352105
 

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15s glut the dealers used now . maybe you get lucky and the torque converter craps out at a stop light when you are test driving.

or find a 2015 3.6 with a reman transmission in it already....but the old 5EAT still seems to be the top dog in a hill climb competition.

you can re-read this lady's posts on the subject of her 2015 3.6, ...(lots off good info in multiple posts).
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...rranty-extension-2010-15-a-2.html#post5352105
Thanks, I appreciate the link.

Regarding the CVT - Money really isn't a driving issue for me. I'm well prepared to get a 2019 3.6R with the HCVT if that's what's available. I love the DRL's and the tech in the new 19's.

So, the 15-18 is really not something I'm considering. I'd hold out for the 19, or maybe consider this 14 3.6 with the 5EAT.

But, yeah, in order to get the 5EAT, in the Gen 4 I'm already comfortable doing things in/on, I'd have to think hard about this one. I definitely didn't expect it, and I don't think I'd tackle the plugs on a 3.6 :D (I've heard it's easier going from the bottom!)



As an aside, just got a phone call from the service department. They're swapping out the faulty Torque Converter and putting some fresh fluid in there. Ugh. At least it's under warranty.
 

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Thanks, I appreciate the link.

Regarding the CVT - Money really isn't a driving issue for me. I'm well prepared to get a 2019 3.6R with the HCVT if that's what's available. I love the DRL's and the tech in the new 19's.

So, the 15-18 is really not something I'm considering. I'd hold out for the 19, or maybe consider this 14 3.6 with the 5EAT.

But, yeah, in order to get the 5EAT, in the Gen 4 I'm already comfortable doing things in/on, I'd have to think hard about this one. I definitely didn't expect it, and I don't think I'd tackle the plugs on a 3.6 :D (I've heard it's easier going from the bottom!)



As an aside, just got a phone call from the service department. They're swapping out the faulty Torque Converter and putting some fresh fluid in there. Ugh. At least it's under warranty.
maybe some of those CVT are more screwed up then others.

changing plugs in a EZ30 or EZ36 is not that bad just need enough time to deal with 6 long plugs, and a choice in wrenches.
probably do it faster then changing 16 plugs on a hemi challenger with 2 per cylinder.

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...-how-change-your-h6-spark-plugs-easy-way.html
 

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You should have a look at the checklist of all the things required by Subaru to qualify for the CPO program! Of course the 30K service will be done. Most likely will have new tires. Brake pads (if I remember) are supposed to be a minimum of 60%. New wiper blades....the list goes on and on! In my opinion the extra cost of a CPO is well worth it.

Curious....how much are they asking for it? Wondering how much 18 months has changed dealer asking prices!
 

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You should have a look at the checklist of all the things required by Subaru to qualify for the CPO program! Of course the 30K service will be done. Most likely will have new tires. Brake pads (if I remember) are supposed to be a minimum of 60%. New wiper blades....the list goes on and on! In my opinion the extra cost of a CPO is well worth it.

Curious....how much are they asking for it? Wondering how much 18 months has changed dealer asking prices!
They are asking around 21 and change. My car on KBB for a dealer trade is between 8-9, I imagine closer to 8 because of some minor dents. Though, it does have a new converter ?

I found another one a little farther away that I’d a Red / Black 3.6 with 20k on it. That one has an asking of 22. But for the minor difference in miles I might be more apt to go for the CPO as you pointed out.
 

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Just turned 78K on my 2014 3.6R 5 EAT. I drive it mostly interstates at 80+ MPH. Only prob has been a defective battery at 65K. No eyesight, I know where I'm going!
 

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Thanks for your feedback.

Yeah the only downside I’m seeing is the antequated but reliable tech.

The CVT variant in the modern 3.6’s returns around 5 mpg more... so over a tank you’re looking around “60” ish miles or “3” ish gallons per tank load.

Assuming you filled up weekly, that’s 156 more gallons of gas a year, which is around $500 a year extra around $3/gal.

So over 10 years you’re $5000 in the hole for fuel but you don’t have a CVT?
 

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So far in the 1+1/2 years and 20,000 miles I've put on my 3.6 I'm getting better than the advertised ratings. If I drive the speed limit on a road trip I usually get 27-28 MPG hand calculated. If I run 80 I get 25-26 MPG. When I use a whole tank with out a road trip. Semi rural....can't go more than a mile or so without a stop sign or a red light all speeds under 60 MPH and most 35-50 MPH I get between 22 and 23 MPG hand calculated. I usually end up putting my foot into it couple a times a tank too! :D

My opinion is until the CVT is allowed to be a CVT without the programmed in shift points there is very little difference in MPG's over the 5 EAT.
 

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I have a 2010 3.6 (1st yr 4th gen) with almost 150k. I bought used and previous owner had zero issues. Like others I concluded it was best bang for the buck. I bought in coastal southeast so I knew it had never seen much road salt. I moved cross country with it in horrible weather like blizzards and -10 F and it ran great. The heat is disappointing but that is common complaint I guess.

I'm addressing one issue right now which is running hot (not overheating) under load. I thought it might be thermostat but that didn't fix. Currently investigating whether heater core or radiator might be restricted.
 

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I have a 2010 3.6 (1st yr 4th gen) with almost 150k. I bought used and previous owner had zero issues. Like others I concluded it was best bang for the buck. I bought in coastal southeast so I knew it had never seen much road salt. I moved cross country with it in horrible weather like blizzards and -10 F and it ran great. The heat is disappointing but that is common complaint I guess.

I'm addressing one issue right now which is running hot (not overheating) under load. I thought it might be thermostat but that didn't fix. Currently investigating whether heater core or radiator might be restricted.
An eight year old car with 150K; it probably would not hurt you to do a flush and fill on the cooling system. Also check the radiator fins to make sure they are not packed solid with dead bugs. A pressure washer can blast any of those little ikkies away.
 

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Did the flush when I replaced thermostat. Also cleaned radiator at that time. Currently running with heater core bypassed. Taking it to mountain this weekend to try it out.
 
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