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They definitely need to do something to move forward with a modern power train. A PHEV or fully electric Outback and Forester is what Subaru desperately needs.

They can get by for now, but come 2023-2025 they will be in a terrible position compared to where other automakers are going with electrification.
 

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Given Toyota owns some 20 odd percent of Subaru, I would imagine it isn’t too far away.
Toyota’s PHEV tech is sold to a number of auto manufacturers, let alone those they have a part ownership of.
 

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No way, I just traded in a Prius V and the whole hybrid thing is overblown. We had to replace the battery on the Prius and it costs a ton. I did the math, the yearly saving on gas is a bit more than the cost of more tire replacements and a battery eventually. The car is so heavy, it is hard on tires. Does terrible in the mountains. It just isn't worth it in my opinion for the life of the car to save a bit each year.
 

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Toyota and Subaru don't know how to make a decent PHEV. The Crosstrek and Prius PHEVs are jokes; their range is puny. Have a gander at this story: https://ww.electrek.co/2020/01/20/a-subaru-toyota-co-developed-electric-suv-is-targeted-for-ahem-2025/

The comments afterward are also very interesting to read; Subaru superfans who can't bear to hear criticism of Subaru might not want to read the comments. But the fact is that Subaru and Toyota look to be in real trouble by not taking electrification seriously, and waiting until 2025 to come out with only a single BEV... Very sad...
 

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It really depends on the specs.
If it got 25+ on plug in power, and wasn't terribly overpriced I'd be all over it. Tired of my 2015 2.5i's ~ 22 mpg on Seattle city streets. Disclosure: I have a Kia Niro PHEV w range of 26 miles. We rarely exceed that and are getting about 120 mpg summer and 95 mpg winter (uses ICE to heat interior).
 

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I should have added that RAV-4 Prime PHEV slated to be released later this year is supposed to get 39 mpg on PHEV battery. Would love to see Subie adapt that tech for the OB.
 

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I should have added that RAV-4 Prime PHEV slated to be released later this year is supposed to get 39 mpg on PHEV battery. Would love to see Subie adapt that tech for the OB.
Supposedly, it will also have an electric-only range of about 40 miles, which means I could drive to and from work without using gas and plugging in only once or twice a week. Then, for longer trips, I have the hybrid functionality with great gas mileage. And if I need to soft-road, I have the ground clearance to do so. I know it won't drive quite as nice as an OB, but I'm intrigued.
 

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No way, I just traded in a Prius V and the whole hybrid thing is overblown. We had to replace the battery on the Prius and it costs a ton. I did the math, the yearly saving on gas is a bit more than the cost of more tire replacements and a battery eventually. The car is so heavy, it is hard on tires. Does terrible in the mountains. It just isn't worth it in my opinion for the life of the car to save a bit each year.
As a former hybrid driver myself (Ford CMax), I don't think the whole hybrid thing is overblown at all, I got pretty much great MPGs especially City with my hybrid and I drove my CMax to Mammoth in the winter months for 7 years straight (a 570 miles round trip, 800 ft to 8200 ft elevation change) with no issues except the dreaded 8-9 miles of Sherwin grade just out of Bishop. With my CMax fully loaded - that was the only tough one to climb, killed the MPGs alot.

The CMax had a little more power than the same Gen Prius & that was the reason why I got it and a bigger gas tank as well. I think I changed my tires around 55K - 60K, it was normal. As well, no issues with battery (mine is at 127K odo at the moment, 70K in EV mode) so I'll figure out when this needs to be changed (probably junk it since it's now our utility 3rd car in our family).

However, I agree a PHEV battery is extra weight is too **** heavy ala Energi - but I do think a smaller 1.4 kWh may be good such as EV starts, rolling down a grade in full EV (just enjoying the sound of wind, no engine noise, nothing) or provide EV boost (not that the turbo would need this). I think what RAM is doing with their small EV assist start/stop is worth looking at, much smoother. The start/stop is "unrefined" rough in my Outback. My 2ev 😋
 
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