Why would you want to purchase a vehicle, then mess with its electronics? If you want a vehicle without GPS/Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod ports, Automatic everything, diagnostic abilities, "bells & whistles" then you should get a vehicle built prior to 1980. Simplifies things.Anyone know if the 2013 Outbacks have "black boxes"? If so, anybody know where they are located or removed one. 96 percent of 2013 models already come with them standard so I figure theres a good chance we have one.
...Ouch!...Why would you want to purchase a vehicle, then mess with its electronics? If you want a vehicle without GPS/Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod ports, Automatic everything, diagnostic abilities, "bells & whistles" then you should get a vehicle built prior to 1980. Simplifies things.
What in the world does all that have to do with a black box as per the original question?Why would you want to purchase a vehicle, then mess with its electronics? If you want a vehicle without GPS/Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod ports, Automatic everything, diagnostic abilities, "bells & whistles" then you should get a vehicle built prior to 1980. Simplifies things.
...says the guy altering a lot more than electronics on a 2001?Why would you want to purchase a vehicle, then mess with its electronics? If you want a vehicle without GPS/Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod ports, Automatic everything, diagnostic abilities, "bells & whistles" then you should get a vehicle built prior to 1980. Simplifies things.
Yes, absolutely, the black box is used by police, insurance companies and attorneys to upload pre-impact collision evidence against you.What in the world does all that have to do with a black box as per the original question?
I would also be interested in getting rid of the black box or blocking its ability to record. I believe it is an invasion of privacy, and from what I understand it has already been used in/by law suites, insurance companies, and law enforcement for purposed other than the original "safety" reasons intended.
Why would you want to purchase a vehicle, then mess with its electronics? If you want a vehicle without GPS/Navigation, Bluetooth, iPod ports, Automatic everything, diagnostic abilities, "bells & whistles" then you should get a vehicle built prior to 1980. Simplifies things.
NO. All the electronics in my car are still factory with exception of the stereo. **** McIntosh....says the guy altering a lot more than electronics on a 2001?
Or do you have something special against altering them when they are brand new?
What if the EDR exonerated you in a crash?It does appear that owners buy and pay for Event Data Recorders that they cannot choose or refuse and whose value to the purchaser is questionable.
Myself, I get it that the data recorded could work either way. The problem is, who owns the data? Who decides when and where it is read, and who gets copies of it?What if the EDR exonerated you in a crash?
What if
Today a data recorder exonerates you, next week you receive a ticket by mail because while you were traveling in the city of "Traffic Light Cameras" a RF unit reads your data recorder and finds you traveling 38-mph in a 35-mph zone.
Use caution what you wish for, you might get it!
From what I read in an article today, the NHTSA is requesting that such "black boxes" be standard (a legal requirement) from 2014 forward. So you need to buy NOW, because as of the next model year, if this goes through, it will surely be illegal to disable any such equipment. The suggestion of a previous poster may be best- a 1980 or earlier vehicle. I suggest a 1978 Buick Special. You will then learn the truth of "Having is not so pleasing as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true." (Spock to T'Pring in Amok Time)What in the world does all that have to do with a black box as per the original question?
I would also be interested in getting rid of the black box or blocking its ability to record. I believe it is an invasion of privacy, and from what I understand it has already been used in/by law suites, insurance companies, and law enforcement for purposes other than the original "safety" reasons intended.
As for messing with the electronics. What if they want to add/or improve the bells and whistles. I did that to bring up to my taste. As many others have pointed out the HK system in these cars is laking for being a premium choice...If these cars where Rolls Royces I would agree that they shouldn't be messed with, but they are not. So to each their own. I replaced my stereo/amp/speakers and it sounds amazingly better than the stock HK unit.