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Well folks, I have just been knighted, I mean appointed the moderator of this forum, but there is nothing to moderate!

We need to generate some activity in here!

How about with start with a little survey? I'd like to know how many Canadians we have on here!

If you are Canadian, tell us about the cars you own!

I currently have the following:

05 Subaru Impreza RS Wagon, 5MT, Crystal grey

05 Subaru Outback XT Ltd, 5MT, Champagne

{Hero Note} Just to add, I think it would be helpful if the members who post in here would follow the format which Mudge used in his very successful OBXT Survey. Mind you that you do not have to divuldge any info that you do not want to. I will leave an example below of what format I'm talking about:

Username: Hero Boots

Location: Montreal, Quebec

Vechicle: 2005 OB-XT Limited; Manual Transmission

Color: Garnet Red

Purchased: Janurary 2005

Mileage: 447 miles (about to be a lot more as I head west for Winnipeg)

Pros: Love the acceleration! Great interior, great everything!
My wife loves the car, too. We've basically retired our other car to the garage.

Cons: Average MPG

Mind you all that that example was fictional as far as my information ;)
 

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okay, okay., I hear you.
sum up:
-2 Outbacks (wagons, both LTD versions. one normally aspirated, and the new XT.)
-1 Ford superduty p/u (powerstroke)
-1 Nissan sedan (older, but almost no mileage on it. 24k)
-recently sold the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, a little Nissan p/u that never quit. Neighbour bought it before the ink dried on the 'for sale' sign, literally. I should have asked alot more, but hey, everybody's happy....

It doesn't snow much around greater Vancouver and and the south coast of BC, but when it does, Outbacks are IMHO the best cars to be driving. Bar none! They're great in our heavy rains, too (well, once you take off the crappy OEM tires.) One of my few gripes is the pricing structure used by Fuji and Subaru. We pay roughly 10% more across the board for the same vehicles, and there's no way that a metric speedo and some cheesy bilingual SRS stickers account for the difference.
Still, despite that price hit, you can't drive anywhere in Vancouver without seeing +++ Subarus!
 

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Is that true, a 10% add-on? It's not a national or provincial tariff? Seems odd given how well Subaru generally sell along the northern tier of the US, espeically along the coasts.
 

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Is that true, a 10% add-on? It's not a national or provincial tariff? Seems odd given how well Subaru generally sell along the northern tier of the US, espeically along the coasts.
It's even more then that right now.

The current exchange rate is 1.22, yet I paid 1.5 on my OBXT.

As the exchange rate dropped from 1.6 to 1.22 (as W. keeps screwing-up your economy), the Subaru prices have not changed at all. I can understand for cars made in Japan, but for a car made in the USA?!?!

Not fair! :headshake
 

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You folks are correct, the Subaru prices in Canada have not changed as quickly as the currency! I have ordered a new 2.5i Outback from Van Bortel in Rochester, and plan on importing it next week. After all the fees, taxes, etc. I will be saving at least $3000 cdn (assuming they let me back across the border :) ). The savings on the Turbo was even greater, and the US cars are available with more options and colour choices. The Outback should be easy to import, as it already has DRL's and is assembled in the US, therefore duty free.

Once the import process is complete:


Username: jri

Location: Kingston

Vechicle: 2005 Outback 2.5i; Manual Transmission

Color: Atlantic Blue / Grey

Purchased: Janurary 2005

Mileage: 0
 

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Glad to hear somebody did it. You probably already checked with SOA to ask what happens in the event of warranty claim while out of country (ie. US car in Canada.) I couldn't get a definitive answer or reassurance that they'd honour any and all warranty issues that might arise, but as long as you're willling and able to get the car back over the border, it shouldn't matter.
Remember that there are 2 "inspections" that get done at the border, and the US bunch wants all your documentation three days prior to your appointment time. [It means we can't just drive to the US on a whim, buy a new car, and drive back home.] The Canadian customs is more straightforward. They check that the US has certified the car for export; Canada collects the taxes and fees owing, and give you the notice that you have to take the car to an approved garage (Canadian Tire) to have it examined and certified roadworthy.
If you have the option, it's better to tow the new car back on a trailer, than try to insure it when the doc's and approvals aren't yet complete.
Good luck, please let us know how it goes, too.
 

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jri said:
You folks are correct, the Subaru prices in Canada have not changed as quickly as the currency! I have ordered a new 2.5i Outback from Van Bortel in Rochester, and plan on importing it next week. After all the fees, taxes, etc. I will be saving at least $3000 cdn (assuming they let me back across the border :) ).
Given their location, reputation, and your fiscal situation, my guess is that Van Bortel's does a decent business with Canadian customers. Whether they hav e additional insights regarding the transaction that would help smooth things, I don't know.

Let me get the currency thing straight. I paid roughly $30K us for my OBXT. At current exchange rates (let's call it 1.25), you'd expect to pay $40K cdn. Instead it's 10% more, as in $44K cdn?:bsflag:

What the ****?:mad:
 

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Yep, MSRP on the XT is $44,400. Canadian. (The only OB XT sold in Canada is the Limited model; price quoted is for the 5EAT.) And every car sold in this country has 7% federal tax added, plus 7 % or more provincial sales tax (in all provinces except Alberta.)
The costs associated with shipping across the border certainly don't justify these big MSRP differences--oh yeah, the freight/pre-delivery inspection charges are on top of that MSRP, too. (once again, they're considerably higher in Canada.)

Historically, it's funny how when the Canadian dollar tanked in the early 90's, pricing on most durable consumer goods went up proportionately (since really, it's the U.S. currency that defines prices), but after our dollar climbed back up two years ago, we are not seeing commensurate reductions in prices of consumer goods.
In fact, there's been very little downward movement in prices to reflect the increased value of our currency. (electronics especially is where you'd expect to see those reductions, but for the most part, they haven't happened.)

Despite claims to the contrary, we're still a long way from a free-trade competitive market.
 

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Thanks for the tips; I was concerned about the warranty, but found out that SOA and SOC have a reciprocal agreement, and that the US warranty will be valid in Canada. We faxed off the obligatory 72 hr notice to US customs yesterday, so far so good. I also had to get a recall clearance letter from SOA. My insurance company had no trouble insuring a US vehicle, and I got a cheaper rate than my 2001 Maxima :) . Van Bortel has been great, working with their dealership association to figure out the necessary process.

After my journey next week, I'll itemize the experience and all the associated costs!
 

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Good luck w. your purcahse jri!

Yeah Mudge, our prices are too high.

An OBXT is virtually the same price as a G35x or a TL w. Dynamic package.

They still sell well because they are so well adpated to our climate. Although Subaru is better watch out, as their reliability and service reputation have been taking a beating lately.
 

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Is there still a Commonwealth? Is so, you could pick up New Zealand and Australia.

Oops, Oz has their own.

Well there's...ah...Bermuda....The Bahamas....British Virgin Islands...Real Subaru Countries.:p
 

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3.5 Canadians

I hope I qualify.

Username: Subhuman

Current Location: Orygun
Raised: Vancouver, Williams Lake, Nanaimo, Seattle

Vehicle 1: 1997 LOB

Purchased: July 2004, NY

Mileage: 130,000 miles (I put on 30,000 since leaving NY)

Vehicle 2: 1997 Toy Corolla

Purchased: 1997

Mileage: 190,000 miles (and I put on every single mile)

Sub Pros: BIGGER! kids don't complain about dog drool

Sub Cons: MPG, and the ******* who sold it to me
 

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So far so good!

I picked up my new 2.5i at Van Bortel, and made it back home with no issues. US Customs was very fast, they just checked my paperwork with their advance copy, stamped the certificate of origin, and I was on my way. At Canada customs, they checked to make sure that the Outback is on the import eligible vehicle list (it is), checked manufacturing location (US, therefore duty free), and filled out a Vehicle Import Form. After I paid the GST, Air Tax, and RIV fee, I was on my way. The whole thing took less than a 1/2 hour. When I receive some RIV documents in the mail, the next step will be to take the car to Canadian Tire to have it inspected (to ensure it meets Canadian Regs), and then I can go to a vehicle licensing place to get my plates.

First impressions are great, had a nice long highway trip home to enjoy the car.

JR the importer!
 

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Excellent. Congratualtions! Another (I hope) satisfied Van Bortel's customer. They are the best dealership in OUR country!
 

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jri, thanks for keeping us updated. This is good information for every Canadian customer who gets the 'dire warning' routine from sales staff (and managers) at the dealerships on this side of the border.
Two things I also wondered about, if you don't mind elaborating:
1) what exactly was the proof you were given about the reciprocal arrangements (which you referred to above) between SOA and Subaru Canada pertaining to the warranty?
2) Was there any issue about having to produce documents proving country of origin and certification regarding recalls & compliance since the date of manufacture? (You mentioned the recall, but I wondered what you had to do to get the letter.)
 

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jri, thanks for keeping us updated. This is good information for every Canadian customer who gets the 'dire warning' routine from sales staff (and managers) at the dealerships on this side of the border.
Two things I also wondered about, if you don't mind elaborating:
1) what exactly was the proof you were given about the reciprocal arrangements (which you referred to above) between SOA and Subaru Canada pertaining to the warranty?
2) Was there any issue about having to produce documents proving country of origin and certification regarding recalls & compliance since the date of manufacture? (You mentioned the recall, but I wondered what you had to do to get the letter.)
Hi Whitlow, the "proof" I have is a response to an e-mail that I sent to [email protected]. The reply states:


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"This to confirm that there is a reciprocal agreement between Subaru of America and Subaru Canada, Inc. The U. S. warranty is valid in Canada and any warranty condition will be repaired by a Canadian dealer as covered by the U. S. warranty.


You will have to contact the National Registrar of Imported Vehicles before bringing the car to Canada.

Canadian dealers should be advised by you that the vehicle is a U. S. vehicle so that they can confirm the warranty is still in effect as the Canadian dealer will not have the VIN on their data base.


Hope this information is helpful for you.

Subaru Canada, Inc."

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I'm still leary about my first trip to my local dealer for warranty work, but hopefully they realize that they will get to make money off of all the maintenance work, money that would have otherwise gone to a Honda dealer if I couldn't import the Subaru...

To answer the second question, Canada customs had a list that they looked at to determine country of origin. I have not had to show the recall clearance letter yet, but it was also very easy to obtain. I called SOA, and gave them the VIN number, and they faxed me the letter within hours.

JR
 

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Thanks for posting that email text and answering about the recall letter.
Hope your OB is all you expected--and more!
cheers
 
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