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How many of you have had this conversation?

me: its chilly, I'd like some heat (press fan button)
climate control: at your service, since you've requested a temperature higher than ambient, I'll blow that at your feet
me: well, my hands are chilly too, I'm going to change the mode to blow at feet & face (press mode button)
climate control: you betcha, now just let me turn the A/C on
me: NO its 40 degrees out, turn that off! (press A/C button)
climate control: fine, if you insist
me: I would get warmer faster if I was reheating the same air, I'll press the recirc button (press recirc button)
climate control: you got it, now just let me turn the A/C on
me: NO its 40 degrees out... you should know, you have that outside temperature sensor... I want recirc without A/C! (press A/C button again)
climate control: OK, I'll turn off the A/C as you requested... just let me open up the fresh air vent
me: NO NO NO, I want heat, without A/C, on recirc, blowing in the direction I want (press recirc button again)
climate control: well, I *am* a computer, I know best... I'll just turn the A/C on again in a few minutes when you're not paying attention

Oh, yeah, this is all while just using the system in MANUAL mode... :)
 

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I keep trying to figure out the controls on my A/C controls on my 05 xt too...Almost at the point that A/C stands for Automatic Controls vs Air Conditioner..I can never figure out why it goes to outside air first--you are very right on this, very confusing....Also what is confusing is the perimater alarm too, I set the perimater alarm and shake the car and nothing happens, except for that securtity light flashes more, i thought at least for car horn would honk or light would flash..
 

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Please give me the simplest possible vent controls! In my 98 OB, I adjust the heat by moving a lever. Done. In the Buick I have to press and hold a button and listen to "beep beep beep..." until the temp adjustment is made.

Also, the old Escort did not require me to choose between floor and vent panel - I could slide another lever to blend anything from defrost - floor - panel to whatever mix I wanted.
 

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I sometimes wonder why auto climate control is considered a desirable luxury feature by automakers. The three manual dials in my Impreza make it so easy to control temp and airflow that it's hard to believe an automatic system is supposed to be better. Maybe if it could read my mind and always have air coming from where I want at the temperature I want. Doesn't sound like they've reached that level of perfection, though!
 

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It amazes me how many car makers now won't let you have recirculated air without turning the Airconditioning on. Fortunately the Aus spec MY04/5 do let you have full control, although that said the climate control on my Outback is probably the worst I've had on a car in the past 5 years, Subaru could learn a lot from BMW in that regard. It bugs me how if you use Auto mode it always puts recirculate on and freeezes the t*ts off you for the first 5-10 min every time the car is restarted before the temp control stabilises.
 

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I don't know if any of you are familiar with this (well, I'll bet cptoversteer is), but US cars and trucks up to the 1970s had "kick panel" vents that you could open at floor level to let fresh air in at foot level, on the outboard side.

My friend's 1965 Buick Wildcat (see, I have a history with these things) also had fresh-air vents at the top of the dashboard, which were opened by pulling out a knob on a long stalk - definitely would not pass modern safety criteria.

http://www.buicks.net/show_and_shine/dualqwad/
 

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I don't know what all you 3rd Genners are B******* about... the ACC on the Hero Wagon works great :p :D

I do think that ACC is a total ******* and much prefer the old dials or even levers from the 80's cars :p

Hey Alex, did your Escort have the A/C button that just pops in and out? That thing was great on my 92' Escort, you could just select anything and everything on that car and if you wanted the A/C on you just pushed the button. No retarded "climate logic" to deal with, and that the way it should be dammit! :4:
 

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**** NO that Escort did not have AC, as I promised myself after having to work on the 1980 Pontiac Phoenix I drove previously. I swear every engine work job (and there were many of them) began with removing the AC compressor and swinging it out of the way. F that!

Without AC, the top of the Escort engine was visible. Plus, I got to apply all of that mighty 1.9L power :rolleyes: to the wheels.
 

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HAL

Yeah, the ACC, aka HAL, is the single worst and most annoying feature on my 05 OBXT.

It is infuriating, and if you use it in auto mode it grossly overshoots the set temperature, especially when heating. It seems to get out of its way to make you uncomfortable.

In comparison, the ACC in my friend's Volvo V70 is pretty much set and forget, the way it should be!

I agree that as it stands now, I'd much rather have a simple manual system. The fact that the ACC is mounted way low in the concole makes the problem even worse. Most manufacturers now mount them higher, as it should be.
 

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(well, I'll bet cptoversteer is),

yeah, i remember flying on a prop driven airliner and rotary dial phones and manual typewriters too....who said superannuated flatulus? :eek:
 

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...better than Transverse Flatal Impaction...

:eek:

Yeah, dialing rotary phones, there's a lost skill.

Funny to sit at a typewriter, work for a while, then wonder if you should save your file.

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