Does anyone else hate Subaru
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I had a '95 Maxima SE at one time (same generation as your '99). I loved that car. Had over 230k when I got rid of it...developed some weird torque converter/transmission issues and had a lot of rust underneath so its time was up. Never had anything else go wrong with it while I had it, though. It was my uncle's car before mine, and he gave it to me when I got my license since he wasn't driving it anymore. It was quick, too. 190 HP in a 3000 lb vehicle is pretty impressive.
NOT good in the winter, though. It took forever to warm up and it was too light and powerful to do all that well even with studded snows on it.
Fiat= fix it again tony lol
Don't waste your time trying to love your car. I'll trade you my 2003 Outback; it gets better mileage than you are right now. It has Nokian tires to grip all the snow you want and you don't have to worry about the starter switching off after you open the door (psst, it doesn't have one).
Get better tires, my Outback was sliding away when I bought it and that's what it took to realize that no matter how good the car's traction control system is, you still need good tires to complete that package. Afterwards, you may even start loving your car.
Also, on second thoughts, I don't want to trade. I don't like the way the 4th generation OBs look.
Well done! lol
As a prospective Subaru owner myself I am interested to hear what he has to say about the SUBE, does remind me of someone getting sick on tequila from drinking too much crappy agave, then spending their life explaining how awful tequila is. Herradura Seleccion Suprema anyone?
Also, I do hate Canada..lol
Ok, I need new tiers. That doesn’t say much for the Subaru Company if they sell brand new cars with tiers that can’t do one winter. I also have bad feelings for the company for not explaining their horrible manufactures car starters. I even asked if it was a “normal car starter”. What kind of company has different (in functionality) aftermarket parts then those parts off the show room floor? I’m wondering if any one else has a 2014 and can let me know what they are getting for gas mileage. I have friends with a 2012 and they get 30+ miles per/gal. Is it me or the model year?
Based on the spelling error, incoherence, and incomprehensible composition of your post, I'm gonna say its you.
Tires. What on earth are you trying to ask about 'starters'? When you talk about 'aftermarket' parts, you are talking about things not made by Subaru, so they have no control over them. If your dealer is installing an aftermarket part, it is likely they are cashing in on you (which in fact sounds likely, as you seem easily confused). Fuel economy depends on the drivetrain configuration you chose, where you drive the car, and how YOU drive it. If your friend has a modest commute doing sustained highway speeds with few stops on a well maintained road, with a 4 cylinder CVT, and drives very smoothly and conservatively; and you drive in stop and go traffic on beaten up roads, with a 6 cylinder, and drive like an angry cabby, you're going to have radically different fuel economy.
I probably should have pointed out earlier that remote starters are murder on gas mileage. The entire point of a remote starter is to burn gas without moving, so using it will wreck your average.
you all know what kind of thread this is?
get over it, buy a 2009 or even better, run on over to the chevy dealer buy a equinox and hate it.
I'm bored working a night shift humoring myself with this drivel so I'll join.
I grew up in a low income family so dealerships and repair shops were something I never experienced. We fixed our own transportation. Was a neccesity, either that or go without shoes or food. These days I make a pretty comfortable living compared to a large percentage of the U.S. but still, my perspective of reliability and repair costs come down to these two values: ease of repair and cost of replacement parts.
I purchased my OBW much for the same reasons as pretty much everyone else. Economy, inclimate weather, cargo etc. I'm pretty handy with a wrench (given space and time) so I don't fret about doing repairs, no matter how complicated. I walked into the subaru world blind about the brand only knowing that they had a real AWD system, not some funky "apply brakes to slipping wheel" type of electronic trickery.
The car has 230,000 miles on it now. I've replaced a front axle, a couple O2 sensors, normal scheduled maintenance, and performed the dreaded head gasket repair. Having never torn a subaru motor apart before, I was still able to knock it out in 9 hours (didn't even unbolt the motor from the mounts :O) The parts were cost competitive from the dealer compared to discout outfits.
All together, I've put 100k of my own miles on the car and invested about $1k dollars worth of parts and maybe a generous estimate of 24 hours total labor. One of the easiest cars I've worked on. Sounds good to me for a daily driver.
If I want fancy interiors I'll get a luxury car.
Past cars :
'79 Cobra Turbo
'86 Fiero (that went 315k before sold to junk yard, got close to 40mpg. Was a pos but went from point A to point B and felt fast to this high school kid)
'96 Mustang gt (sold with 140k and only replaced a shift fork I broke racing a turbo neon)
2000 F-250 V10 4x4 (over 100k, just had to replace front wheel lockers)
1991 Geo Metro (bought for $500, put 50k miles on it, got rear ended on the interstate, got $2000 for it from insurance)
2004 Cobra (two wheel bearings at 20k miles, but did the 1/4 in 11.7 @ 124. Almost lost to an '05 STI once...)
2007 Corvette (Not one complaint or problem until 58k when it threw the harmonic balancer. Replaced myself, then took to dealer to get ABS code read that Discout Tire caused when I bought new tires. Didn't know it was still under warranty, dealer informed me about the warranty when he saw cosmetic damage to the oil pan. Replaced it for free under warranty since the balancer caused it. Loved that car, more comfortable, wayyyyy better dry weather handling compared to the cobra and better fuel economy compared to the subi.)
Well that burned up some time here at the office. So yea...what was my point?
I grew up in a low income family so dealerships and repair shops were something I never experienced. We fixed our own transportation. Was a neccesity, either that or go without shoes or food. These days I make a pretty comfortable living compared to a large percentage of the U.S. but still, my perspective of reliability and repair costs come down to these two values: ease of repair and cost of replacement parts.
I purchased my OBW much for the same reasons as pretty much everyone else. Economy, inclimate weather, cargo etc. I'm pretty handy with a wrench (given space and time) so I don't fret about doing repairs, no matter how complicated. I walked into the subaru world blind about the brand only knowing that they had a real AWD system, not some funky "apply brakes to slipping wheel" type of electronic trickery.
The car has 230,000 miles on it now. I've replaced a front axle, a couple O2 sensors, normal scheduled maintenance, and performed the dreaded head gasket repair. Having never torn a subaru motor apart before, I was still able to knock it out in 9 hours (didn't even unbolt the motor from the mounts :O) The parts were cost competitive from the dealer compared to discout outfits.
All together, I've put 100k of my own miles on the car and invested about $1k dollars worth of parts and maybe a generous estimate of 24 hours total labor. One of the easiest cars I've worked on. Sounds good to me for a daily driver.
If I want fancy interiors I'll get a luxury car.
Past cars :
'79 Cobra Turbo
'86 Fiero (that went 315k before sold to junk yard, got close to 40mpg. Was a pos but went from point A to point B and felt fast to this high school kid)
'96 Mustang gt (sold with 140k and only replaced a shift fork I broke racing a turbo neon)
2000 F-250 V10 4x4 (over 100k, just had to replace front wheel lockers)
1991 Geo Metro (bought for $500, put 50k miles on it, got rear ended on the interstate, got $2000 for it from insurance)
2004 Cobra (two wheel bearings at 20k miles, but did the 1/4 in 11.7 @ 124. Almost lost to an '05 STI once...)
2007 Corvette (Not one complaint or problem until 58k when it threw the harmonic balancer. Replaced myself, then took to dealer to get ABS code read that Discout Tire caused when I bought new tires. Didn't know it was still under warranty, dealer informed me about the warranty when he saw cosmetic damage to the oil pan. Replaced it for free under warranty since the balancer caused it. Loved that car, more comfortable, wayyyyy better dry weather handling compared to the cobra and better fuel economy compared to the subi.)
Well that burned up some time here at the office. So yea...what was my point?
I'll feed the troll.
How about those QUALITY Toyotas? The manufacturer with the highest number of cars recalled. And the fact that all they do is deny they have any problems?
How about those QUALITY Hondas? Have you checked into the crappy automatic transmissions that they won't cover if they are out of warranty, in spite of the fact they know it's a design issue?
How about those German cars that are OK to lease but will bankrupt you with maintenance costs if you go outside the warranty period?
And how about those POS Ferraris? Can you imagine charging $10,000 for servicing one?
Every OEM has their issues. Do your due diligence and go into the deal informed. That's about the best you can do.
Are you full yet, Mr. Troll?
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How about those QUALITY Toyotas? The manufacturer with the highest number of cars recalled. And the fact that all they do is deny they have any problems?
How about those QUALITY Hondas? Have you checked into the crappy automatic transmissions that they won't cover if they are out of warranty, in spite of the fact they know it's a design issue?
How about those German cars that are OK to lease but will bankrupt you with maintenance costs if you go outside the warranty period?
And how about those POS Ferraris? Can you imagine charging $10,000 for servicing one?
Every OEM has their issues. Do your due diligence and go into the deal informed. That's about the best you can do.
Are you full yet, Mr. Troll?
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I guess I lost that long post, here is a short version:
OP is correct in some ways.
I've owned dozens of vehicles.
I expect a new vehicle to last well over 200,000 miles without any major problems. My previous car had about 300,000 before being sold and used as a race car.
Lada is still the worst in my book.
Subaru far from the best.
Suby eats some parts like candy, parts can be expensive, dealer network is very poor, finding reliable repair shop almost impossible, most shops do not understand the car, most shops overcharge up and above their regular overcharging when it comes to labor.(seriously look at the quotes for the 20 min wheel bearing change)
Should not be purchased by people not doing their own work.
bottom line, jump through the hoops, do your own research and work, and they can be the cheapest, very good, all wheel drive vehicle out there
and will easily reach 200,000 miles...with some effort.
OP is correct in some ways.
I've owned dozens of vehicles.
I expect a new vehicle to last well over 200,000 miles without any major problems. My previous car had about 300,000 before being sold and used as a race car.
Lada is still the worst in my book.
Subaru far from the best.
Suby eats some parts like candy, parts can be expensive, dealer network is very poor, finding reliable repair shop almost impossible, most shops do not understand the car, most shops overcharge up and above their regular overcharging when it comes to labor.(seriously look at the quotes for the 20 min wheel bearing change)
Should not be purchased by people not doing their own work.
bottom line, jump through the hoops, do your own research and work, and they can be the cheapest, very good, all wheel drive vehicle out there
and will easily reach 200,000 miles...with some effort.
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