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Howdy Everyone,

New to the site here, and I first wanted to thank all of You for the information you all have contributed to this site. This particular forum was a great resource during our research and purchasing process. This is a long post, but I’ve broken it down into sections for ease of navigation in case you want to skip what you don’t care about.

Context

Let me preface this post by giving you some context/background info of what the impetus was for purchasing a new vehicle. Our family hauler was a 2016 Mazda CX-9 Touring, non-AWD that we purchased when our son was born. This iteration of the CX-9 was a fresh redesigned model with Mazda’s, at the time, new turbo engine. We absolutely loved the build quality, driving dynamics, and versatility of the Mazda with the third row.

However, throughout the ownership of the Mazda, there was always one nagging regret that reared it’s ugly head whenever driving the family around: I should have ponied up for the AWD model. The FWD model just had way too much torque steer and didn’t feel as planted/safe when driving with more gusto or driving in inclement weather.

Needless to say, AWD was an absolute must for our next vehicle, which led us to Subaru. Interestingly enough, I briefly owned a 2019 RAV4 Adventure for about 5 months during the latter part of 2019, and I absolutely hated the vehicle. It’s a long story of why that vehicle ended up as my daily driver, but since a lot of people cross shop the OB and the RAV4, I think it’s worth mentioning. The 8 speed transmission on that vehicle is absolutely awful. In fact, the entire drivetrain pairing was really one of the roughest, unrefined experiences I have had in a modern vehicle. Additionally, the RAV felt like I was driving a tin can on wheels, and the AWD felt non-existant. Yes, interior build quality was nice, and aesthetically, the RAV looks more truck-like, which I liked, but I just couldn’t believe how flimsy and unrefined the complete package was. It’s amazing how much Toyota rides on the coattails of their reliability, so much so that they’re sacrificing much of what makes a vehicle worth driving.

We absolutely knew that looking at a Toyota was out of the question when looking for our new family car, and both of us didn’t like Honda’s offerings, so that really left us with sticking with Mazda or jumping over to Subaru. We were hesitant to look at Subaru because we‘d heard from family and friends, that although reliable, Subaru’s material quality and overall refinement were two of its biggest issues, but we had heard so many great things about the redesigned OB that we had to give Subaru a fair shot. Because of COVID, we only had the chance to test drive a non XT OB Touring. My first impression of the interior material choices and overall feel left me quite optimistic. At first glance, I was concerned the back seat would be too small, but again I was pleasantly surprised to find it just as ample as the Mazda‘s, with even more leg room. The cargo space was comparable as well, and most surprisingly, I felt less cramped in the driver’s seat/passenger seat than in the Mazda. After playing around the interior and getting acquainted with how comfortable the space was, it was time for the drive.

Impressions

Test Drive/Non XT

I was really skeptical about the CVT transmission because a lot of “car enthusiasts“ and car “journalists” like to dump on CVT’s, and my personal experience with CVT’s is limited. I really thought I would be turned off immediately, but I was actually quite surprised and impressed at how smooth and refined the driving experience was. Having just experienced the drivetrain in the 2019 RAV4, this felt almost luxury compared to it; however, the lack of power left much to be desired considering how good the turbo in the Mazda is. We decided to take a gamble and put a deposit on an Onyx XT in blue, and figured that worst case scenario we would just ask for our refund if the we didn’t feel 100% with the XT upon delivery.

StarTex/Interior
After about a month of waiting, the vehicle arrived and our sales rep brought the vehicle over to our house for final walk around and test drive. Admittedly, I wasn’t a fan of the StarTex material upon first glance, especially because of how nice Mazda’s leather interiors are, but sitting in the seat for the first time changed my snap judgment. The StarTex interior is super comfortable, feels high quality, and suits our active lifestyle more. Definitely pleased with the comfort and materials in this department.

Infotainment/Sound System
Now, as far as the infotainment goes, I honestly do not understand the gripes that I often read or hear about. I might be in the minority here, but I find the infotainment to be responsive, quite intuitive, and easily accessible. I haven’t had it freeze on me or be excessively slow or unresponsive. All of the pertinent information is easily readable, and overall, the system is quite robust with features. The climate control buttons are definitely more cumbersome to navigate than your typical physical dials and buttons, but I honestly haven’t had to set or adjust climate since day one. We just set the temp and let auto do the work. Our Mazda did not have Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, and since it’s primarily my wife’s car, she’s not bothered by the ”half screen” set up when I have Android Auto set up. it is still the same ratio as the 8 inch display that’s in my 2019 VW GLI, so I have no complaints there. Also, it looks better than what it does full screen on a RAV4.

The sound system in this car is by no means good, but it is adequate and about average for non-upgraded systems in this class of vehicle. For what it’s worth, it is better than a stock Mazda CX-9 non-Bose offering.

Driving Impressions
Above I have mentioned what my thoughts we on the naturally aspirated engine, and really, that drive train was so smooth and linear that it gave me the confidence to jump in blindly for the XT engine. The very first thing I noticed on the turbo set up is how Subaru was able to replicate the refinement and smoothness of the base engine with a different drive train configuration altogether. Historically, I have owned a lot of turbo powered vehicles, so I have a pretty good idea of turbo mechanics, dynamics, and overall feel. Because I wasn’t expecting this car to be an “enthusiast” car, I can appreciate how this drivetrain is programmed to deliver power.

I have read some people complain that there is a bit of turbo lag, which yes, there is, but it is most noticeable when you are trying to gun the vehicle from a complete stop, or when you are trying to give it some beans when you are not in the meat of the powerband. Surprisingly, the high torque CVT does a more than adequate job of always putting you in a position to take advantage of the extra power. Unlike most turbo’s with traditional automatic transmissions, this engine keeps pulling after that initial turbo lag and burst of torque. I can truly appreciate that coming from a CVT. Where the drivetrain falters is when you’re really putting it through enthusiast-like paces and the CVT tries to simulate shifts. I understand Subaru trying to give consumers the illusion of shifts, but I think the CVT can be programmed to eliminate or diminish the unnecessary nature of such shifts in a CVT, but unfortunately, that’s the biggest knock on the drive train. I’ll also add that the ride is exceptionally quiet for a wagon with this type of power and ground clearance. Not as quiet as the Touring, but very quiet nonetheless. The OB also feels very sturdy and safe. It definitely drives more like a wagon/large sedan, but it feels robust like a proper SUV.

Start/Stop
I honestly don’t mind it, but I’ve been dealing with start/stop for a few years now driving VW’s. It’s not that annoying to turn off through the infotainment; it’s three touches of the screen, and it’s easy to disengage using the brakes. Like many of you, I do wish there was a physical button, but it’s definitely not a deal breaker.

Suspension
The way Subaru set up the suspension on this thing is fantastic. Typically on something with this type of ground clearance and weight, you’ll find that suspension is too stiff, has too much body roll, or is way too soft to where you don’t even feel like you’re tires are touching pavement. I have to say that Subaru did their homework on this aspect, and the fact that they offer aluminum lower L arms on this vehicle is quite nice. As expected, if you throw this thing into corners, you‘re going to get some body roll, but nothing that’s unexpected. Compared to the RAV4 and the CX-9, this thing blows both of them Out of the water in balancing the suspension.

Overall

We’ve only had the OB for a few weeks now, but so far it’s living up to our expectations and more. We definitely don’t feel like we compromised anything from going from Mazda to Subaru, and I would absolutely buy this over any Toyota product hands down. Like most of you, I would probably prefer an automatic/manual transmission paired with this engine because it is a very good engine. However, as far a CVT goes, this thing feels solid. It’s smooth and does it’s job more than adequately when driven like it should be. We haven’t had any of the ”common” build issues some of you have written about, but will definitely keep a close eye out for them. I’m sure we’ll have some complaints down the road, but for now, we are loving our Subaru.

Overall, we are very happy with our purchase, and we look forward to contributing more to this community!

-Alex
 

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The two things I don’t care for are the infotainment and that stop/ start. But since my wife loves the car and I don’t have to drive it, I won’t complain lol.
 

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Well I ah e to say she allows me many toys so I definitely will not begrudge her this ha ha ha.
 

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Welcome! I think your initial impressions are shared by many here. they certainly mirror many of mine ( as a first tiem Subaru Buyer myself). Hopefully you enjoy your choice for many a year to come.

BTW, I have to say your quote of: "It’s amazing how much Toyota rides on the coattails of their reliability, so much so that they’re sacrificing much of what makes a vehicle worth driving." is SPOT on!
 

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Welcome! I think your initial impressions are shared by many here. they certainly mirror many of mine ( as a first tiem Subaru Buyer myself). Hopefully you enjoy your choice for many a year to come.

BTW, I have to say your quote of: "It’s amazing how much Toyota rides on the coattails of their reliability, so much so that they’re sacrificing much of what makes a vehicle worth driving." is SPOT on!
Thanks for the welcome, Rocketman! And yes, the Toyota issues are ridiculous. I was briefly driving a 2018 Tacoma TRD Sport before the RAV4, both were unbearable to drive on a daily basis.
 

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Once management of a company starts being concerned with stock price above anything else, everything else suffers.

Toyota making a re-skinned BMW as the Supra is a symptom of that mindset with marketing dominating engineering. It's the financially responsible decision in the short term - I get that. It doesn't help Toyota in the long run.
 

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Once management of a company starts being concerned with stock price above anything else, everything else suffers.

Toyota making a re-skinned BMW as the Supra is a symptom of that mindset with marketing dominating engineering. It's the financially responsible decision in the short term - I get that. It doesn't help Toyota in the long run.
Couldn't agree more!
 

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We followed a similar path - we liked our Mazdas enough to buy three of them in a row. My wife traded hers in for a CrossTrek a while back and I just traded mine in for an XT. I'm really happy with it - even though it meant I finally had to get an automatic transmission.
 

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We followed a similar path - we liked our Mazdas enough to buy three of them in a row. My wife traded hers in for a CrossTrek a while back and I just traded mine in for an XT. I'm really happy with it - even though it meant I finally had to get an automatic transmission.
Mazda's are such great driver focused vehicles. I just wished they offered more utility out of their vehicles, if that makes sense.
 

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Thanks for sharing and welcome to the club! I'm happy to hear your positive experience - usually people don't join a forum unless there's a problem! - so kudos to you!

I'm hoping to jump into a Touring XT or leave the brand for a Tesla Model Y when my 2019 Forester lease is up in a little less than a year and a half. The Tesla is my first choice, but the Mrs. isn't sold on it, so the Touring XT would be a stopgap measure for ~10 years while the infrastructure catches up.

I'd initially considered a hybrid or PHEV for the interim "stopgap" car I mentioned but wasn't happy with the Toyota offerings. I'm happy to stay loyal to the brand if they get their act in gear and produce a viable PHEV or BEV in the next 10 years. For me it's a question of utility, and the Outback certainly has it. But, I can stuff pretty much the same amount of cargo into a Model Y which would be cheaper to run in the big picture, hence the dilemma.

I suggest since you're new to CVT's to have the CVT fluid changed at 60k service intervals, but if you're towing, even sooner than that. There's no denying that this appears to the weak point in the builds over the last ~10 years or so since they were introduced in the market.

My favorite thing about Subarus has been that they are SUV's that drive like Sedans, if that makes sense. I've owned a Legacy, Outback, and Forester. I've test driven all of the modern models. They're all great and drive as expected, and their driver assist features (EyeSight) are amazing. Many argue that the Tesla Autopilot is better (and capability wise, yes, it is), but they seem to have more false alert scenarios like abrupt braking events. I'd rather be the driver rather than the watcher.
 

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Thanks for sharing and welcome to the club! I'm happy to hear your positive experience - usually people don't join a forum unless there's a problem! - so kudos to you!

I'm hoping to jump into a Touring XT or leave the brand for a Tesla Model Y when my 2019 Forester lease is up in a little less than a year and a half. The Tesla is my first choice, but the Mrs. isn't sold on it, so the Touring XT would be a stopgap measure for ~10 years while the infrastructure catches up.

I'd initially considered a hybrid or PHEV for the interim "stopgap" car I mentioned but wasn't happy with the Toyota offerings. I'm happy to stay loyal to the brand if they get their act in gear and produce a viable PHEV or BEV in the next 10 years. For me it's a question of utility, and the Outback certainly has it. But, I can stuff pretty much the same amount of cargo into a Model Y which would be cheaper to run in the big picture, hence the dilemma.

I suggest since you're new to CVT's to have the CVT fluid changed at 60k service intervals, but if you're towing, even sooner than that. There's no denying that this appears to the weak point in the builds over the last ~10 years or so since they were introduced in the market.

My favorite thing about Subarus has been that they are SUV's that drive like Sedans, if that makes sense. I've owned a Legacy, Outback, and Forester. I've test driven all of the modern models. They're all great and drive as expected, and their driver assist features (EyeSight) are amazing. Many argue that the Tesla Autopilot is better (and capability wise, yes, it is), but they seem to have more false alert scenarios like abrupt braking events. I'd rather be the driver rather than the watcher.
Thanks for the welcome. Pilot! My wife really wanted a Tesla as well, but we just couldn't swing the financials of it upfront. Great heads up on changing the CVT fluid at 6Ok, btw.

It'll be interesting to see what Subaru come up with moving forward to stay competitive.
 

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I've owned Pick-Ups, Cargo Vans, Mini Vans, SUVs and a few Sedans in the last 30 years. I always strugled with the tradeoffs of "what I wanted vs what I needed". When I went shopping last fall, I found the OB (particularly the XT) offered the car like driving experience that I craved but with the utility to match my lifestyle needs. For me it was that magic combination of low seat height, good ground clearance, great AWD, great visability, great interior room wrapped up in a unique sporty to drive, easy on the eyes package. The Outback was kind of in that "Goldilocks, Just Right" spot for me. It's been 7 months and 7500 mi of test driveing for my Limited XT and I'm still loving that mix!
 

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Welcome! I think your initial impressions are shared by many here. they certainly mirror many of mine ( as a first tiem Subaru Buyer myself). Hopefully you enjoy your choice for many a year to come.

BTW, I have to say your quote of: "It’s amazing how much Toyota rides on the coattails of their reliability, so much so that they’re sacrificing much of what makes a vehicle worth driving." is SPOT on!
I also don't get the Toyota thing. I had a 83 Tercel hatch and it was a great car 300k miles no problem Their interior are ugly and the Tacoma is way overrated and outdated.
 

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I also don't get the Toyota thing. I had a 83 Tercel hatch and it was a great car 300k miles no problem Their interior are ugly and the Tacoma is way overrated and outdated.
Not to mention their customer service is worse than anything Ive experienced. In Toyota's mind, if it runs, you got what you paid for. They gradually "leaned" quality, refinement and general enjoyment out of the driver interface long ago. In fairness, I havn't owned my Taco in 10 years but have several friends who were loyal as dogs to the brand and have since moved on due to quality and treatment issues. IMHO, you can still get 300K out of many their vehicles but your likely to dislike the last 285K of them. Ok rant over. Man , those memories come back hard,,,😟
 

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Let's be fair - some of the things with the mechanics and "hidden" engineering features of Toyota are fantastic. A great example is the dual fuel injector setup they have that prevents carbon buildup in direct injection engines. They also tend to have very robust transmissions and engines. But, I agree in your assessment that the interiors appear to be slightly dated and Spartan. (I have family that has a Toyota SUV and I've test driven some of the newer Highlanders & RAV4's)

Basically, to sum it up in a few words: It's an appliance.

Not all of them, the FT86 is a blast to drive, and I've heard the Supra is as well. But we're talking about the typical Japanese econobox model from the early 90's with some flair on it.

It's been a really fun experience as an owner and driver of 3 Subarus - and it's our go-to car unless we need the space from my wife's third-row SUV. We would have considered and probably purchased the Ascent if it was available, but we purchased about 2 years before it launched.

Also, keep in mind that many of us are just offering our opinion and suggestions - do your due diligence and research. Don't just accept what the forum posts as "Subaru law"!

The best thing you can do for your Subaru is a fluid check about once a week. Many issues can be avoided by checking the oil and coolant level before problems become a problem. Regarding the CVT Fluid, that is not specified in the manual for the US market, but the Canadian market Subaru does require a 100 kilometer (60k mile) CVT fluid change interval, and that's what some of us that are more... proactive/obsessive... are going on for longevity's sake. I'd rather be out $300-400 for a CVTF change than on the hook for a new $9000 transmission.

Again, welcome to the family, and read the manual! There's a lot of intense tech in here especially related to EyeSight. Take the time and read the manual, familiarize yourself on important things like spare tire location, etc.

This website is really great in terms of community. People are eager to help. And make sure you bookmark this site. Make this site your homepage!
 

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Howdy Everyone,

New to the site here, and I first wanted to thank all of You for the information you all have contributed to this site. This particular forum was a great resource during our research and purchasing process. This is a long post, but I’ve broken it down into sections for ease of navigation in case you want to skip what you don’t care about.

Context

Let me preface this post by giving you some context/background info of what the impetus was for purchasing a new vehicle. Our family hauler was a 2016 Mazda CX-9 Touring, non-AWD that we purchased when our son was born. This iteration of the CX-9 was a fresh redesigned model with Mazda’s, at the time, new turbo engine. We absolutely loved the build quality, driving dynamics, and versatility of the Mazda with the third row.

However, throughout the ownership of the Mazda, there was always one nagging regret that reared it’s ugly head whenever driving the family around: I should have ponied up for the AWD model. The FWD model just had way too much torque steer and didn’t feel as planted/safe when driving with more gusto or driving in inclement weather.

Needless to say, AWD was an absolute must for our next vehicle, which led us to Subaru. Interestingly enough, I briefly owned a 2019 RAV4 Adventure for about 5 months during the latter part of 2019, and I absolutely hated the vehicle. It’s a long story of why that vehicle ended up as my daily driver, but since a lot of people cross shop the OB and the RAV4, I think it’s worth mentioning. The 8 speed transmission on that vehicle is absolutely awful. In fact, the entire drivetrain pairing was really one of the roughest, unrefined experiences I have had in a modern vehicle. Additionally, the RAV felt like I was driving a tin can on wheels, and the AWD felt non-existant. Yes, interior build quality was nice, and aesthetically, the RAV looks more truck-like, which I liked, but I just couldn’t believe how flimsy and unrefined the complete package was. It’s amazing how much Toyota rides on the coattails of their reliability, so much so that they’re sacrificing much of what makes a vehicle worth driving.

We absolutely knew that looking at a Toyota was out of the question when looking for our new family car, and both of us didn’t like Honda’s offerings, so that really left us with sticking with Mazda or jumping over to Subaru. We were hesitant to look at Subaru because we‘d heard from family and friends, that although reliable, Subaru’s material quality and overall refinement were two of its biggest issues, but we had heard so many great things about the redesigned OB that we had to give Subaru a fair shot. Because of COVID, we only had the chance to test drive a non XT OB Touring. My first impression of the interior material choices and overall feel left me quite optimistic. At first glance, I was concerned the back seat would be too small, but again I was pleasantly surprised to find it just as ample as the Mazda‘s, with even more leg room. The cargo space was comparable as well, and most surprisingly, I felt less cramped in the driver’s seat/passenger seat than in the Mazda. After playing around the interior and getting acquainted with how comfortable the space was, it was time for the drive.

Impressions

Test Drive/Non XT

I was really skeptical about the CVT transmission because a lot of “car enthusiasts“ and car “journalists” like to dump on CVT’s, and my personal experience with CVT’s is limited. I really thought I would be turned off immediately, but I was actually quite surprised and impressed at how smooth and refined the driving experience was. Having just experienced the drivetrain in the 2019 RAV4, this felt almost luxury compared to it; however, the lack of power left much to be desired considering how good the turbo in the Mazda is. We decided to take a gamble and put a deposit on an Onyx XT in blue, and figured that worst case scenario we would just ask for our refund if the we didn’t feel 100% with the XT upon delivery.

StarTex/Interior
After about a month of waiting, the vehicle arrived and our sales rep brought the vehicle over to our house for final walk around and test drive. Admittedly, I wasn’t a fan of the StarTex material upon first glance, especially because of how nice Mazda’s leather interiors are, but sitting in the seat for the first time changed my snap judgment. The StarTex interior is super comfortable, feels high quality, and suits our active lifestyle more. Definitely pleased with the comfort and materials in this department.

Infotainment/Sound System
Now, as far as the infotainment goes, I honestly do not understand the gripes that I often read or hear about. I might be in the minority here, but I find the infotainment to be responsive, quite intuitive, and easily accessible. I haven’t had it freeze on me or be excessively slow or unresponsive. All of the pertinent information is easily readable, and overall, the system is quite robust with features. The climate control buttons are definitely more cumbersome to navigate than your typical physical dials and buttons, but I honestly haven’t had to set or adjust climate since day one. We just set the temp and let auto do the work. Our Mazda did not have Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, and since it’s primarily my wife’s car, she’s not bothered by the ”half screen” set up when I have Android Auto set up. it is still the same ratio as the 8 inch display that’s in my 2019 VW GLI, so I have no complaints there. Also, it looks better than what it does full screen on a RAV4.

The sound system in this car is by no means good, but it is adequate and about average for non-upgraded systems in this class of vehicle. For what it’s worth, it is better than a stock Mazda CX-9 non-Bose offering.

Driving Impressions
Above I have mentioned what my thoughts we on the naturally aspirated engine, and really, that drive train was so smooth and linear that it gave me the confidence to jump in blindly for the XT engine. The very first thing I noticed on the turbo set up is how Subaru was able to replicate the refinement and smoothness of the base engine with a different drive train configuration altogether. Historically, I have owned a lot of turbo powered vehicles, so I have a pretty good idea of turbo mechanics, dynamics, and overall feel. Because I wasn’t expecting this car to be an “enthusiast” car, I can appreciate how this drivetrain is programmed to deliver power.

I have read some people complain that there is a bit of turbo lag, which yes, there is, but it is most noticeable when you are trying to gun the vehicle from a complete stop, or when you are trying to give it some beans when you are not in the meat of the powerband. Surprisingly, the high torque CVT does a more than adequate job of always putting you in a position to take advantage of the extra power. Unlike most turbo’s with traditional automatic transmissions, this engine keeps pulling after that initial turbo lag and burst of torque. I can truly appreciate that coming from a CVT. Where the drivetrain falters is when you’re really putting it through enthusiast-like paces and the CVT tries to simulate shifts. I understand Subaru trying to give consumers the illusion of shifts, but I think the CVT can be programmed to eliminate or diminish the unnecessary nature of such shifts in a CVT, but unfortunately, that’s the biggest knock on the drive train. I’ll also add that the ride is exceptionally quiet for a wagon with this type of power and ground clearance. Not as quiet as the Touring, but very quiet nonetheless. The OB also feels very sturdy and safe. It definitely drives more like a wagon/large sedan, but it feels robust like a proper SUV.

Start/Stop
I honestly don’t mind it, but I’ve been dealing with start/stop for a few years now driving VW’s. It’s not that annoying to turn off through the infotainment; it’s three touches of the screen, and it’s easy to disengage using the brakes. Like many of you, I do wish there was a physical button, but it’s definitely not a deal breaker.

Suspension
The way Subaru set up the suspension on this thing is fantastic. Typically on something with this type of ground clearance and weight, you’ll find that suspension is too stiff, has too much body roll, or is way too soft to where you don’t even feel like you’re tires are touching pavement. I have to say that Subaru did their homework on this aspect, and the fact that they offer aluminum lower L arms on this vehicle is quite nice. As expected, if you throw this thing into corners, you‘re going to get some body roll, but nothing that’s unexpected. Compared to the RAV4 and the CX-9, this thing blows both of them Out of the water in balancing the suspension.

Overall

We’ve only had the OB for a few weeks now, but so far it’s living up to our expectations and more. We definitely don’t feel like we compromised anything from going from Mazda to Subaru, and I would absolutely buy this over any Toyota product hands down. Like most of you, I would probably prefer an automatic/manual transmission paired with this engine because it is a very good engine. However, as far a CVT goes, this thing feels solid. It’s smooth and does it’s job more than adequately when driven like it should be. We haven’t had any of the ”common” build issues some of you have written about, but will definitely keep a close eye out for them. I’m sure we’ll have some complaints down the road, but for now, we are loving our Subaru.

Overall, we are very happy with our purchase, and we look forward to contributing more to this community!

-Alex
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I've owned Pick-Ups, Cargo Vans, Mini Vans, SUVs and a few Sedans in the last 30 years. I always strugled with the tradeoffs of "what I wanted vs what I needed". When I went shopping last fall, I found the OB (particularly the XT) offered the car like driving experience that I craved but with the utility to match my lifestyle needs. For me it was that magic combination of low seat height, good ground clearance, great visability, great interior room wrapped up in a unique sporty to drive, easy on the eyes package. In the Outback was kind of in that "Goldilocks Just Right" spot for me. It's been 7 months and 7500 mi of test driveing for my Limited XT and I'm still loving that mix!
I couldn’t agree more about the OB being in that Goldilocks zone of do it all vehicle.
 

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Let's be fair - some of the things with the mechanics and "hidden" engineering features of Toyota are fantastic. A great example is the dual fuel injector setup they have that prevents carbon buildup in direct injection engines. They also tend to have very robust transmissions and engines. But, I agree in your assessment that the interiors appear to be slightly dated and Spartan. (I have family that has a Toyota SUV and I've test driven some of the newer Highlanders & RAV4's)

Basically, to sum it up in a few words: It's an appliance.

Not all of them, the FT86 is a blast to drive, and I've heard the Supra is as well. But we're talking about the typical Japanese econobox model from the early 90's with some flair on it.

It's been a really fun experience as an owner and driver of 3 Subarus - and it's our go-to car unless we need the space from my wife's third-row SUV. We would have considered and probably purchased the Ascent if it was available, but we purchased about 2 years before it launched.

Also, keep in mind that many of us are just offering our opinion and suggestions - do your due diligence and research. Don't just accept what the forum posts as "Subaru law"!

The best thing you can do for your Subaru is a fluid check about once a week. Many issues can be avoided by checking the oil and coolant level before problems become a problem. Regarding the CVT Fluid, that is not specified in the manual for the US market, but the Canadian market Subaru does require a 100 kilometer (60k mile) CVT fluid change interval, and that's what some of us that are more... proactive/obsessive... are going on for longevity's sake. I'd rather be out $300-400 for a CVTF change than on the hook for a new $9000 transmission.

Again, welcome to the family, and read the manual! There's a lot of intense tech in here especially related to EyeSight. Take the time and read the manual, familiarize yourself on important things like spare tire location, etc.

This website is really great in terms of community. People are eager to help. And make sure you bookmark this site. Make this site your homepage!
I’ll definitely give Toyota credit where credit is due. They do have a history of making reliable drivetrains, and they make some attractive vehicles. I appreciate the welcome and advice. Thanks, Pilot!
 
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