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Baja Turbo said:
I thought the Forrester was built off the Impreza Platform,is this true?
Indeed it is.

Forester of Outback ? Depends on your needs. There is no difference in ground clearance (in this market at least) between the two, although the Forester has better approach and departure angles.

I chose the Outback mainly because it is bigger and better finished (imo) inside, and MUCH better looking all round. The Forester (both generations) is just too ugly and slab-sided, and looks too narrow from either the front or rear.

And this is just my humble opinion, I don't want to offend Forester owners :cool:
 

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Goofy - If you are happy in the Legacy then I suggest you will be happy with the space in the Outback.

A couple of years ago I traded my 1998 Grand Cherokee with 100,000km on clock for a Holden Calais (Ozzies will know what I mean).

I had so much trouble with the Calais that the dealer took it back! I missed the AWD so bought a new 2002 (MY03) Forester which I loved when I was driving by myself - except that it struggled with our dog trailer on long trips (600km to 700km each way) and it always felt cramped inside when there was myself and my wife in the front plus our wee boy in the back in his child seat.

So.... one day when I was at the dealers and saw a 2002 H6 which had just come in - not even prepared - it was less that a year old with 14,000km on it (from an estate) I bought it for $15k under new price on the spot.

It is so much more refined than the Forester and probably a mid way between Calsis and Forester sizewise. It is the perfect compromise - so go for it!
 

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Losiho said:




I chose the Outback mainly because it is bigger and better finished (imo) inside, and MUCH better looking all round. The Forester (both generations) is just too ugly and slab-sided, and looks too narrow from either the front or rear.

And this is just my humble opinion, I don't want to offend Forester owners :cool:
I totally agree, the Forester just was not an option for me due to the very utilitarian looks. The Outback looks way better IMHO
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i still wave at Foresters but wouldn't want my sister seen driving one....:D

in fairness, the current gen is a big improvement on the 1st gen, it just looks too much like it's trying to be the sport ute i didn't want. not too bad looking in a "sturdy" sort of way, kinda like old volvo wagons and Jeep Cherokees. Ok, that's abt all the charitable i can muster....i'm homely enough, don't need a car that's likewise....:)
 

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Even though i like foresters styling, i still like the new outbacks alot better, but I think my best bet is gonna be looking into a slightly used outback, and maybe i'll get lucky and be able to get a Turbo or H6, that'd be awesome, anyone know how the H6 does on gas, and if it requires Premium like the turbo engines do, cause that'd be hurtin in the long run
 

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Hi, What follows are my (summary) mileage figures for my 2002 Outback H6 Limited VDC (in New Zealand) from when I purchased it at 16,000km to current time at 40,000km.

Average MPG is 27.1mpg but that includes quite a bit of trailer towing. I do not think it would be unreasonable to expect 28 to maybe even 30 mpg if you do good highway driving.

FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH - I HAD A NEW 2002 FORESTER (MY 03) BEFORE GETTING THE OUTBACK AS I NEEDED BETTER TOWING AND MORE SPACE - IT AVERAGED 28.5mpg WHILE I HAD IT FOR 12,000km (admittedly running in) - NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE MUCH MORE REFINED H6!

Hope this is of some use.

Rgds, GRANT (NZ)

Vehicle Miles
Date Mileage per Gallon
Mar-03 16,977.0
17,394.0 33.5
23-Sep-03 17,780.9 25.6
28-Sep-03 18,230.1 27.1
04-Oct-03 18,687.2 27.6
10-Oct-03 19,198.8 28.5
17-Oct-03 19,666.5 27.5
25-Oct-03 20,240.0 26.8
30-Oct-03 20,640.5 28.2
31-Oct-03 21,069.5 27.6
02-Nov-03 21,380.1 27.2
03-Nov-03 21,676.9 25.9
04-Nov-03 21,970.6 25.5
12-Nov-03 22,438.5 26.9
19-Nov-03 22,876.7 27.5
25-Nov-03 23,315.6 27.4
28-Nov-03 23,608.3 27.9
30-Nov-03 24,010.3 27.5
07-Dec-03 24,443.7 27.2
11-Dec-03 24,704.1 29.0
17-Dec-03 25,253.3 30.6
21-Dec-03 25,450.1 28.9
21-Dec-03 25,989.4 30.4
04-Jan-04 26,219.0 24.1
07-Jan-04 26,676.4 30.5
13-Jan-04 27,134.6 29.4
19-Jan-04 27,587.0 29.7
24-Jan-04 28,092.0 29.9
30-Jan-04 28,554.1 29.7
04-Feb-04 29,048.3 29.2
07-Feb-04 29,460.9 27.1
12-Feb-04 29,944.9 29.4
20-Feb-04 30,362.7 27.7
22-Feb-04 30,706.0 26.2
29-Feb-04 31,094.0 25.2
08-Mar-04 31,543.9 27.8
13-Mar-04 32,007.9 30.2
20-Mar-04 32,458.0 29.4
25-Mar-04 32,892.3 26.9
01-Apr-04 33,372.7 28.3
25-Apr-04 33,721.4 20.6
09-May-04 34,069.0 23.2
16-May-04 34,266.8 24.2
01-Jun-04 9.8 20.3
04-Jun-04 34,943.0 26.5
07-Jun-04 35,389.8 27.2
08-Jun-04 35,775.0 26.8
08-Jun-04 36,008.0 26.3
27-Jun-04 36,309.1 18.5
12-Jul-04 36,644.8 19.6
29-Jul-04 37,009.9 21.0
05-Aug-04 37,154.9 20.9
06-Aug-04 37,652.3 30.5
09-Aug-04 38,157.9 29.2
09-Aug-04 38,487.6 31.7
24-Aug-04 38,714.0 18.4
01-Sep-04 38,872.9 19.2
10-Sep-04 39,360.0 26.9
21-Sep-04 39,662.7 23.0
23-Sep-04 39,982.2 30.1
28-Sep-04 40,106.1 21.1
29-Sep-04 40,458.9 32.5
02-Oct-04 40,998.2 35.5
04-Oct-04 41,465.4 30.2



TOTAL KM TRAVELLED = 42,311.3 / AVERAGE MPG = 27.1
 

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wow. those are the best figures i've ever seen for an H6. 35.5 mpg for an entire tankful? how;d you do that? are these imperial gallons or commoner gallons you guys use in NZ?

those #s seem to beat what i'm getting out of my OBS with 5 spd...despite 2 more cylinders and 500 more lbs. is your car a manual? you seem to have learned some secret the rest of us would like to know abt....:) what sort of speed are you talking about on the hwy? thanks!
 

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Hi,

The 35.5mpg was on a single round trip of 352km - it was all highway driving (probably only 10-15 km getting out of the city) all at 100km/h - 110km/h with maybe the odd short stretch at 120km/h.

Most of my highway driving is at average 110km/h (our sped limit here is 100km/h). You will note the figs vary quite widely depending on what I was doing, but I am pretty happy with the average - and YES it is just as good as I used toget from my old 2000 2.5 5 speed and almost as good as my previous 2.5 X Forester (auto).!

We use litres and km over here but mpg still means more tome so I maintain myrecords that way - FYI, I use 4.54609 and 1.609344 as conversions from litres to gallons and km to miles.

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Wow, that sounds better then my current 2.2L legacy... although i think my throttle positioning sensor is shot since i've got a really bad problem with my accelleration from a dead stop, it's really weird, if i stomp it to the floor, it starts to rev then dies, then starts to rev and dies, repeatedly until i let off the gas a little, and it's alot worse when the Air Conditioner is on... anyone have any idea what the problem is, I put a new intake on a while back and i thought that was the problem, but even after replacing the stock one, i still had the same problem...
 

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Goofy--

you might want to start a new thread; many people who might have insight may not see it at end of this one. that's a pretty weird problem.

it's pretty straightforward to test the TPS, requires only a digital multimeter. basically, the TPS is a variable resistor. the computer sends the TPS a "reference" voltage of 5 volts, and the voltage sent back to the computer tells it how far the throttle is open (the more resistance, the more the voltage drop from the reference signal).

the factory specifies a certain # of volts at various points in the throttle travel, and if it's off, you either loosen the clamping screws and rotate the TPS until values do correspond, or replace it if it can't be adjusted to spec. even if this is something you want to leave to your mech, it's not a big deal and shouldn't cost more than 1 hr labor on most cars.

altho i'm not sure that is the problem on your car, it's certainly a possible. if your car had any sort of mechanical ignition advance, i'd look there, but it doesn't, it's wholly computer controlled as far as i know.

?????
 

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Yes, My first Subaru was a company car - it was a 1991 Legacy 2.2 Auto and it was a terriffic car. We did 100,000km in it in 2 years and the company I worked for traded it on a Ford Fairmont 4.0 litre (I was then general Manager so qualified for a "better" car) - and going form the 2.2 subaru to the 4.0 Ford my fuel usage went down!
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ottiehund said:
We use litres and km over here but mpg still means more tome so I maintain myrecords that way - FYI, I use 4.54609 and 1.609344 as conversions from litres to gallons and km to miles.
Wrong conversion ! 1 Imperial Gallon = 4.5 litres. 1 US Gallon = 3.8 litres. ;) :)
 

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Wrong conversion ! 1 Imperial Gallon = 4.5 litres. 1 US Gallon = 3.8 litres. ;) :)
Losiho: Thank you for pointing this out! ottiehund's mpg numbers just seemed unrealistically high for US mpg. His numbers make more sense now. Just need to change the formula in his spreadsheet. ;)

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Actually, the conversion is correct for where I live as we always used the ORIGINAL imperial system - why the US ever changed it I never understood.... anyway I hear what you are saying so what follows are the reworked figs which will be more meaningful for your comparisons. Frankly, I neber gave it a thought about your galons being less than an imperial gallon...... but yes it makes a material difference - average now 22.7mpg - Cheers,.

Vehicle Miles
Date Mileage per Gallon
Mar-03 16,977.0
17,394.0 28.0
23-Sep-03 17,780.9 21.4
28-Sep-03 18,230.1 22.6
04-Oct-03 18,687.2 23.1
10-Oct-03 19,198.8 23.8
17-Oct-03 19,666.5 23.0
25-Oct-03 20,240.0 22.4
30-Oct-03 20,640.5 23.6
31-Oct-03 21,069.5 23.0
02-Nov-03 21,380.1 22.7
03-Nov-03 21,676.9 21.6
04-Nov-03 21,970.6 21.4
12-Nov-03 22,438.5 22.5
19-Nov-03 22,876.7 22.9
25-Nov-03 23,315.6 22.9
28-Nov-03 23,608.3 23.3
30-Nov-03 24,010.3 23.0
07-Dec-03 24,443.7 22.8
11-Dec-03 24,704.1 24.3
17-Dec-03 25,253.3 25.6
21-Dec-03 25,450.1 24.1
21-Dec-03 25,989.4 25.4
04-Jan-04 26,219.0 20.1
07-Jan-04 26,676.4 25.5
13-Jan-04 27,134.6 24.5
19-Jan-04 27,587.0 24.8
24-Jan-04 28,092.0 25.0
30-Jan-04 28,554.1 24.8
04-Feb-04 29,048.3 24.4
07-Feb-04 29,460.9 22.7
12-Feb-04 29,944.9 24.6
20-Feb-04 30,362.7 23.2
22-Feb-04 30,706.0 21.9
29-Feb-04 31,094.0 21.0
08-Mar-04 31,543.9 23.2
13-Mar-04 32,007.9 25.3
20-Mar-04 32,458.0 24.6
25-Mar-04 32,892.3 22.5
01-Apr-04 33,372.7 23.6
25-Apr-04 33,721.4 17.2
09-May-04 34,069.0 19.4
16-May-04 34,266.8 20.2
01-Jun-04 34,589.8 17.0
04-Jun-04 34,943.0 22.1
07-Jun-04 35,389.8 22.7
08-Jun-04 35,775.0 22.4
08-Jun-04 36,008.0 21.9
27-Jun-04 36,309.1 15.4
12-Jul-04 36,644.8 16.4
29-Jul-04 37,009.9 17.5
05-Aug-04 37,154.9 17.5
06-Aug-04 37,652.3 25.5
09-Aug-04 38,157.9 24.4
09-Aug-04 38,487.6 26.5
24-Aug-04 38,714.0 15.4
01-Sep-04 38,872.9 16.0
10-Sep-04 39,360.0 22.5
21-Sep-04 39,662.7 19.3
23-Sep-04 39,982.2 25.2
28-Sep-04 40,106.1 17.7
29-Sep-04 40,458.9 27.2
02-Oct-04 40,998.2 29.6
04-Oct-04 41,465.4 25.2
13-Oct-04 41,870.0 22.1
15-Oct-04 42,311.3 26.2
21-Oct-04 42,788.0 22.6






42,788.0 22.7
 

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22.7 MPG is still very respectable no less, I wish I could get those figures with my lead foot :D Jeez Ottie, you take this MPG stuff seriously with all that bookeeping :p
 

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I was getting 18.3 MPG (US) overall average from my car (mostly city traffic) but now that I live further out of town and it's about 30% highway I am getting 20.7 MPG (US) which isn't fantastic but it's pretty good for a car as fast as it is. Very fast from 50-100 MPH as tested 2 nights ago :D
 

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Thanks for the new numbers, ottiehund. They make more sense now for comparison to everybody else's US mpg figures.

ottiehund said:
Actually, the conversion is correct for where I live as we always used the ORIGINAL imperial system - why the US ever changed it I never understood....
Having grown up in Switzerland and France, I don't understand why anybody uses anything other than the metric system! Even after 10 years in the US, I still have trouble with Fahrenheit, pounds, feet and inches, not to mention silly ounces. Don't even get me started on cups and table spoons.... ;)

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