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So this past weekend the wife and I tried to find a hot spring near Cascade. Turned a snow covered dirt road road which was initially pretty well tracked. Further in there were no tracks but I figured I was gonna get a chance to test the Outback’s capabilities. Was doing good until I stopped at a fork to check the directions. Tried to start moving again and started sliding toward the inside of the turn and ditch. Traction control off didn’t make a difference more wheel spin no more movement. Right rear wheel ended up in the ditch. Over an hour of digging (Mostly by my poor wife because of my busted wrist) got us moving a little but couldn’t turn around kept spinning and sliding toward the ditch. Finally gave up and called for a tow with what little cellphone service we had. 4wd tow truck did his share of spinning but managed to winch us to where we were pointed downhill. Pretty smooth sailing after that but alas no hot spring. Lessons learned (1 Get snow tires. I usually have but was putting it off since I didn’t know how it would do on the current tires, plus winter has been kinda mild here so far. (2 I need a come a long or something else to do self recovery if this happens again. Any particular options that really work for anyone would be appreciated.
 

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Yeah, tires. I have in my bookmarks a journalist's report of a 4Runner Trail he got stuck in a couple inches of snow. Dunlop street tires come stock. Yup, on an off-road specialist.

I have a cheaper version of MaxTrax called TRED 1100. I got them for 110 (normally go for 170sh). They are 42" so they fit between the OB's wheel wells whereas MaxTrax would not. I have not yet been stuck by accident but I tried them in sand and did not like them. Even when starting in 2nd there is too much wheelspin without low range so they did not work at all in my be-mildly-stuck-by-purpose test. I just maneuvered myself out of it. Still, they could be helpful under the right circumstances, so I still carry them around. But adequate tires for snow and low pressures for sand would be far more helpful.
 

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I have been in a similar situation but somehow did not get stuck ! Like u said tires are very important before u get out adventuring and also better to go in a group so you will get pulled out. Maxtrax is a wonderful thing to have and can be very helpful.
 

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Simplest rule: Go in groups with adventures like this - there is safety in numbers. More cars mean more people to push a stuck car, or to give a tow out.
 

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Very Few Vehicles can go through fresh snow. Doesn't matter what size or kind of tires you have. Snow will build up beneath the car stopping it as it compacts.
Once you spin a tire snow becomes Ice. Once you stop the spinning tire it sets up.
Packed snow is different , and what most people think of when they want to drive "on snow"
If its fresh and you really want to go then dig out a path as wide as the vehicle and dig out enough so nothing is being pushed ahead by the bumper
You can buy a come-a-long and some straps and rope. When stuck stap the come a long to a rock or tree . It will take a while.
And as you found out, you have a lot of digging to do
 

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Just curious...
do the snow traction mats work in some situations?
My experience with improvised traction mats (not in snow/ice) is they are typically just sucked under the tire and ejected out the other end.
I'm not likely to ever encounter snow/ice and hills living down here on the third coast unless I make a point of going somewhere that has those conditions, but it would be helpful to know what works and what is only marketing.
 

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MaxTrax look good but they’re quite expensive. Probably look at come a longs for that kind of money.

Very Few Vehicles can go through fresh snow. Doesn't matter what size or kind of tires you have. Snow will build up beneath the car stopping it as it compacts.
The snow wasn’t deep enough to high center us at least on the road. Besides I took my Jeep through almost two feet a few times with chains. It probably only a 4” in ground clearance edge on the Outback. I also got it badly stuck with poor tires and no chains in less snow, so I know the difference tires can make.
 

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Very Few Vehicles can go through fresh snow. Doesn't matter what size or kind of tires you have. Snow will build up beneath the car stopping it as it compacts.
Once you spin a tire snow becomes Ice. Once you stop the spinning tire it sets up.
Packed snow is different , and what most people think of when they want to drive "on snow"
If its fresh and you really want to go then dig out a path as wide as the vehicle and dig out enough so nothing is being pushed ahead by the bumper
You can buy a come-a-long and some straps and rope. When stuck stap the come a long to a rock or tree . It will take a while.
And as you found out, you have a lot of digging to do
Only option out where they were was frozen ground and a land anchor if come along was his only recovery device. No rock or trees worthy of hooking too out in the hotsprings land.
 

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MaxTrax look good but they’re quite expensive. Probably look at come a longs for that kind of money.



The snow wasn’t deep enough to high center us at least on the road. Besides I took my Jeep through almost two feet a few times with chains. It probably only a 4” in ground clearance edge on the Outback. I also got it badly stuck with poor tires and no chains in less snow, so I know the difference tires can make.
The only time I have used Chains errr traction cables in 30yrs was to claw my way up and out of a sloped driveway frozen / iced over in my 01 Legacy. As soon as I made it to the road the cables came off. Before I was driving I recall chaining up grandpas 460 short bed 78 Dodge Tophand 2wd so we could drag his horse trailer out of a boggy mess at the ranch.

I think packing cables would be as effective as Maxtraks but getting them on after getting stuck umm “SUCKS!!!” My wife would be serving me papers before the ice in the Subaru fenders melted. LOL
 

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subiesailor;5353353c I think packing cables would be as effective as Maxtraks but getting them on after getting stuck umm “SUCKS!!!” My wife would be serving me papers before the ice in the Subaru fenders melted. LOL[/QUOTE said:
Been there done that. Had to jack up my Jeep and put chains on to get unstuck from another snow adventure years ago. Wouldn’t consider chains/cables a recovery tool normally, but they work great for not getting stuck in the first place. My biggest annoyance with the OBW as an off-road vehicle is the inability to use chains when needed.
 

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No, it is an attachment. But, yeah, he is plowing, literally, with the entire front of the car.
 

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No, it is an attachment. But, yeah, he is plowing, literally, with the entire front of the car.
FYI

I can copy a attachment, just click on it so it opens slightly bigger, right click, and select "copy image address" and copy it as a pic.

and post it just like you grabbed it off google images,...or anywhere else on the net.

this one came off the first post on this gallery thread here:
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/63-gallery/465826-just-joined-my-2011-ob-3-6r.html

 

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Several Sierra storm trips in my Legacy GT running general all seasons it was very common to plow my way out of a ski resort lot with snow up over the hood. Wasn’t difficult to do even in the Legacy.

But ice and off camber roads is a whole different deal only way to have much traction is chains or studded tires in that situation
 
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