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First let me say that initially I was going to get a '17 WRX 6 speed, however due to having a family and my wife wanting an automatic, we decided to get an Outback. I was not excited at first, but once we purchased our '17 Outback Limited 3.6R I was starting to realize how well built this car was, along with being so luxurious (from previous Subarus I've had), as well as how the 3.6R could sprint fairly well, and handle excellently for a car it's size after I put my 19mm rear sway bar on soon after purchase.

I learned about XRT with the post on here about Ed. First let me say, Ed is a very great guy to work with. He is extremely patient and walked me through the entire process. He went out of his way to accommodate the odd times I was available considering I have rug rats running around me at all times at home.

First I dropped in an AFE Pro Dry S filter in the air box. I immediately noticed that throttle response was better, with a tad more pull through the gears, and a nice "whoosing" intake sound, that's very subtle, but perfect for a car like this.

After I got my laptop setup, Ed was right there to help me via phone (BBM) and remotely to get me under way.

This tune is AWESOME! I was not expecting much considering my car is stock, save for a simple air filter replacement. After two revisions my Outback feels MUCH stronger, sounds better, and shifts like no other automatic I've driven.

You have total control with the input of your foot to get the exact gear, and amount of power you want as you drive. There are no more sluggish shifts, as the car confidently gets into "gear", snaps you back in your seat and continues to pull into the next gear.

Off the line is greatly improved. The weird "CVT" lunge that haunts these cars is gone. I feel that the car has improved so much from a dig than before, that it feels like a different car.

As I did some WOT pulls on the interstate the Flat 6 roared with delight and eagerness that seemed absent before. The car is SO much more fun to drive now. I have owned many cars, trucks, and performance vehicles, and I was mentioning to Ed on the phone yesterday that my Outback is the most BALANCED, solid vehicle I've had the pleasure to own. It does everything very well, and although it's 3800lbs+, it feels very nimble, and handles this amount of power increase just right.

I went with the 91 octane tune. Initially I tried the 87 tune by Ed, but wanted more. He was able to dial in the tune just right, and increased the timing. Now my Outback feels as strong as my mom's 2011 Volvo X70 T6, but handles much better, shifts better, and is far more responsive in the throttle response department.

For anyone that wants their wagon to have more power, and improved drivability should consider talking to Ed about this best mod. Once Ed heard me giggling over bluetooth after the second revision, he knew he had produced yet another satisfied and happy customer.

I'm looking forward towards the car running even stronger as it learns my driving style (spirited x10 LOL). Ed and I are going to do one more revision on the tune today to clean up a few minor things he had found through the log.

Thank you Ed, and thank you Subaru Forums for allowing him to introduce an excellent performance mod for a car, that is clamoring for a car enthusiasts touch and feel. :wink2:
 

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First let me say that initially I was going to get a '17 WRX 6 speed, however due to having a family and my wife wanting an automatic, we decided to get an Outback. I was not excited at first, but once we purchased our '17 Outback Limited 3.6R I was starting to realize how well built this car was, along with being so luxurious (from previous Subarus I've had), as well as how the 3.6R could sprint fairly well, and handle excellently for a car it's size after I put my 19mm rear sway bar on soon after purchase.

I learned about XRT with the post on here about Ed. First let me say, Ed is a very great guy to work with. He is extremely patient and walked me through the entire process. He went out of his way to accommodate the odd times I was available considering I have rug rats running around me at all times at home.

First I dropped in an AFE Pro Dry S filter in the air box. I immediately noticed that throttle response was better, with a tad more pull through the gears, and a nice "whoosing" intake sound, that's very subtle, but perfect for a car like this.

After I got my laptop setup, Ed was right there to help me via phone (BBM) and remotely to get me under way.

This tune is AWESOME! I was not expecting much considering my car is stock, save for a simple air filter replacement. After two revisions my Outback feels MUCH stronger, sounds better, and shifts like no other automatic I've driven.

You have total control with the input of your foot to get the exact gear, and amount of power you want as you drive. There are no more sluggish shifts, as the car confidently gets into "gear", snaps you back in your seat and continues to pull into the next gear.

Off the line is greatly improved. The weird "CVT" lunge that haunts these cars is gone. I feel that the car has improved so much from a dig than before, that it feels like a different car.

As I did some WOT pulls on the interstate the Flat 6 roared with delight and eagerness that seemed absent before. The car is SO much more fun to drive now. I have owned many cars, trucks, and performance vehicles, and I was mentioning to Ed on the phone yesterday that my Outback is the most BALANCED, solid vehicle I've had the pleasure to own. It does everything very well, and although it's 3800lbs+, it feels very nimble, and handles this amount of power increase just right.

I went with the 91 octane tune. Initially I tried the 87 tune by Ed, but wanted more. He was able to dial in the tune just right, and increased the timing. Now my Outback feels as strong as my mom's 2011 Volvo X70 T6, but handles much better, shifts better, and is far more responsive in the throttle response department.

For anyone that wants their wagon to have more power, and improved drivability should consider talking to Ed about this best mod. Once Ed heard me giggling over bluetooth after the second revision, he knew he had produced yet another satisfied and happy customer.

I'm looking forward towards the car running even stronger as it learns my driving style (spirited x10 LOL). Ed and I are going to do one more revision on the tune today to clean up a few minor things he had found through the log.

Thank you Ed, and thank you Subaru Forums for allowing him to introduce an excellent performance mod for a car, that is clamoring for a car enthusiasts touch and feel. :wink2:
Excellent, thank you for sharing. Please keep us posted. Great to hear a person so satisfied.

A few questions:

Other than the need for 91 gas are there any other downsides?

What was the difference using only 87?

Any instrumented tests, i.e. 0-60?

What will you do if the car has an in warranty issue and the dealer needs to read the ECU?

Thanks again and keep us posted!
 

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  1. Other than the need for 91 gas are there any other downsides?
    Just increase in power. Also the CVT response changed very noticeable with the increase of engine torque. Downside is more money for response due to cost of gas.
  2. What was the difference using only 87?
    Just lower power and less response by the engine and CVT.
  3. Any instrumented tests, i.e. 0-60?
    We wanted too, but customer wanted to be safe at the time. Just his response and semi giggle/laughing told me things were very good. No difference to the increasing reviews here - http://xtremeracingtuning.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=695
  4. What will you do if the car has an in warranty issue and the dealer needs to read the ECU?
    I have contact Tactrix on this matter for direct feedback. There have ask for a rom to review but did provide feedback preliminary of it being a non issue. As I stated to customers, because the tune changes so much, anyone getting in the car will notice a difference. From throttle response to engine note. So just reload the stock. Where I am, the dealer don't even want to allow mods like filters and exhaust, unless there put it on or warranty finishes.
 

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Let us know the impact on your fuel mileage as well. Glad you like the tune. Just kind of weird how every tune thread reads like a commercial.

A dealer reading engine diagnostic codes is not an issue with a re-map. If you have a cvt failure and they saw that the ECU was modified it could be an issue. This is where most run into problems with SOA. Warranty denial mainly came into play for owners going to stage 2 or 3 as they called it. We are talking about 50 - 100 horsepower more then stock on the turbo WRX motor. Not 5 or maybe 8 with the NA 3.6 engine 91 octane tune.
 

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Let us know the impact on your fuel mileage as well. Glad you like the tune. Just kind of weird how every tune thread reads like a commercial.

A dealer reading engine diagnostic codes is not an issue with a re-map. If you have a cvt failure and they saw that the ECU was modified it could be an issue. This is where most run into problems with SOA. Warranty denial mainly came into play for owners going to stage 2 or 3 as they called it. We are talking about 50 - 100 horsepower more then stock on the turbo WRX motor. Not 5 or maybe 8 with the NA 3.6 engine 91 octane tune.
Sir,

Based on what I see, almost all tuners do not know how to tune the auto related maps for the turbocharged models. They basically tune the based Ecutek and Cobbs maps. Usually what happens are the clutches burned out.

Secondly, there don't teach the customer what to look for and tranny oil reviews every 3months.

Fuel mileage is reduce and it depends on how you drive.
 

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"First I dropped in an AFE Pro Dry S filter in the air box. I immediately noticed that throttle response was better, with a tad more pull through the gears, and a nice "whoosing" intake sound, that's very subtle, but perfect for a car like this."

Is this air filter part of the tune, or just a better air filter? Is it something worth putting in any Outback? What's the story here?
 

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"First I dropped in an AFE Pro Dry S filter in the air box. I immediately noticed that throttle response was better, with a tad more pull through the gears, and a nice "whoosing" intake sound, that's very subtle, but perfect for a car like this."

Is this air filter part of the tune, or just a better air filter? Is it something worth putting in any Outback? What's the story here?
It's NOT the filter...it's the tune. XRT utilized what the platform was...no AF magic.
 

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It's NOT the filter...it's the tune. XRT utilized what the platform was...no AF magic.
It says he put the filter in filter in first, and noticed a difference, I'm just wondering what's the difference with the new new filter. I know the raving was about the tune.
 

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Would love to get rid of the CVT lunge on my 2.5i OB.
 

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Came with it.

I do not have any real based data, since it wasn't needed. Customer was more interested in the final results.

There been others asking on XRT group, so many I can tune w/o and post the data. I don't even know what it looks like or even search.
What I can tell you, 2015+ 3.6 CVT w/ an Intake and Exhaust speaks wonders. I only recommend the Magnaflow setup for a quick exhaust.

I understand from customers, a XRT Raptor 2011 3.6 5EAT vs XRT 2017+ 3.6 CVT w/ just an exhaust design recommended by XRT and off the line, the 2011, has a walking away, but at high speeds, the 2017 is right with it :) I honestly believe the 3.6 is just beautiful in the 2015+. Just responds lovely :)
 

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This is interesting. I need to go look for more threads on this topic.

A couple of questions came to mind - will this new air filter on its own be a worthwhile improvement? Sounds like probably not unless done along with the tune. The other question is what does all of this cost and how difficult is it to do? Thanks.
 

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Let us know the impact on your fuel mileage as well. Glad you like the tune. Just kind of weird how every tune thread reads like a commercial.
It reads like a commercial because Ed makes a good product worth talking about. I am not getting any special favors here, I just know that this tune turned my Outback into a much more responsive, powerful, better driving machine.

As for fuel economy, well that will be hard to tell since I am enjoying the new found power. :grin2: I will let you know what I average when things calm down. I was at about 18mpg average all city driving.

"First I dropped in an AFE Pro Dry S filter in the air box. I immediately noticed that throttle response was better, with a tad more pull through the gears, and a nice "whoosing" intake sound, that's very subtle, but perfect for a car like this."

Is this air filter part of the tune, or just a better air filter? Is it something worth putting in any Outback? What's the story here?
It's a better air filter, plus I wanted to add something before I did the tune. I would say the filter is worth putting in. Not only does it flow better, but you never have to replace it. All you need is to vacuum it or wash it out from time to time. I have used AFE products before and they are very high quality. I paid about $70 for the filter, straight from AFE.

As mentioned before I did this mod before the tune and already noticed some nice subtle differences. After the tune, I noticed NOT so subtle differences. :smile2:
 
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Sounds like a good inexpensive mod. Do you know the gain in HP?
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Just like the measured results from any K&N bolt-on.

Normally, you bolt on an upgraded cat back exhaust system because it sounds better, not to get any increase in power. You'd have to show me the dyno test data before I'd believe differently. This kind of snake oil "tuning" doesn't make the car any faster. Unless you bolt a turbocharger/supercharger onto it, you can spend infinite money and not see much of a difference.
 
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