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I always find discussion about hybrid cars interesting especially about the cost of a replacement battery.

I previously owned a Honda Civic Hybrid for a few years (great vehicle by the way and I would happily purchase one again)

When I went to sell the vehicle it was very difficult to get a decent price from anywhere except a Honda dealer and their price was also not great. I ended up selling it to someone I knew who appreciated what the car was and was happy to pay me a reasonable price.

When I made inquiries as to why the selling/trade price was so low the answer I always got was that no one wanted to purchase a used hybrid as they were worried they might have to replace a battery and that the cost would be around AU $10,000.

So I found out what the Honda part number for the battery was and then rang my local Honda spare parts center to get the cost. To my surprise it was only AU $2,560. Turns out the battery was actually made up of 120 "D" cell batteries so maybe this is why the cost was not so expensive.

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a big pancake style battery in the floor is going to be tricky in anything that retains a gas engine up front. Hot exhaust pipes and batteries aren't easy neighbors. Add an AWD driveshaft tunnel and there's not much space left down there for that battery.

Rear engine/front battery would solve a lot.
Oddly Ford just did it with a rwd AWD 450hp 600ft lb Torque 7 passenger aka 2020 Ford Explorer. The Lincoln version announced today at the LA Auto Show.
 

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Oddly Ford just did it with a rwd AWD 450hp 600ft lb Torque 7 passenger aka 2020 Ford Explorer. The Lincoln version announced today at the LA Auto Show.
Less odd when the pan is that much longer & wider to begin with. If Crosstreks were minivans-without-sliders like the Explorer I probably would have expected more too.

Doesn't the explorer still have a frame under its floorpan? If so then it's got more ampere-smuggling capability in all three dimensions down there.
 

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So I found out what the Honda part number for the battery was and then rang my local Honda spare parts center to get the cost. To my surprise it was only AU $2,560 [and not AU $10,000].
That battery will eventually croak and cost $bundles.
Age kills the battery.
Manufacturers prefer to sell whole battery packs as replacements, hence the perceived cost issues with hybrid batteries. But the individual batteries don't all die at once, just a few cells. And it's entirely feasible to go in and surgically fix just a few cells.

Most of us here wouldn't go buy a new engine when something repairable fails, so why do we think we need to do this with batteries?

And the answer is that some independents have indeed recognized this business opportunity that manufacturers have missed, and now offer this repair. Most major metropolitan areas have a business that either does the repair in place in your car, or they swap the packs at a fixed rate and repair the one they pull out of your car for the next customer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/09/replacing-a-dead-prius-hybrid-battery-doesnt-have-to-cost-thousands-of-dollars/#ed2e75f3ee9c
 

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Manufacturers prefer to sell whole battery packs as replacements, hence the perceived cost issues with hybrid batteries. But the individual batteries don't all die at once, just a few cells. And it's entirely feasible to go in and surgically fix just a few cells.

Most of us here wouldn't go buy a new engine when something repairable fails, so why do we think we need to do this with batteries?
I'm completely on board with cell-level repair in a general sense. The idea makes complete sense. It's a question of execution, as usual. I don't want to wind up with death by a thousand cuts, with a new cell choking out every 6 weeks or some nonsense like that. Especially when there might only be a couple of specialists within a half day's round trip.

I'm confident that a competent hybrid mechanic can give good guidance, but I have yet to locate one. (links and resources welcomed!)
 

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I wonder with BFG ko2 and a lift kit how much range will it be ... more like 10 miles :)
I think I read somewhere that the 2019 rav4 hybrid seems to be well priced with only around 800$ premium.
 

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I don't want to wind up with death by a thousand cuts, with a new cell choking out every 6 weeks or some nonsense like that.
The more recent Toyota Prius batteries have lasted for many years, and the failure isn't generally a predictable age / wearout thing on every cell, it's just a random hit-miss thing with a few cells. But one cell (or a few cells) out causes imbalance in the battery pack, and the computer is programmed to shut it all down and demand repair so further damage isn't done. And the repair does have to involve rebalancing the pack with the new cells installed.

How random and how hit-miss are the failures? I'm not sure, but I look here locally and outfits are offering 3-5 year warranties on their work, labor included, on these repairs or swaps. I presume that by offering this warranty they are banking on experience that shows it isn't a common thing to have claims.

We have a Prius as well as an Outback in the family, it's now at 7 years old, and this is my plan if the battery pack throws a trouble code.
 

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The more recent Toyota Prius batteries have lasted for many years, and the failure isn't generally a predictable age / wearout thing on every cell, it's just a random hit-miss thing with a few cells. But one cell (or a few cells) out causes imbalance in the battery pack, and the computer is programmed to shut it all down and demand repair so further damage isn't done. And the repair does have to involve rebalancing the pack with the new cells installed.

How random and how hit-miss are the failures? I'm not sure, but I look here locally and outfits are offering 3-5 year warranties on their work, labor included, on these repairs or swaps. I presume that by offering this warranty they are banking on experience that shows it isn't a common thing to have claims.

We have a Prius as well as an Outback in the family, it's now at 7 years old, and this is my plan if the battery pack throws a trouble code.
FWIW, my wife’s 2005 Prius has had zero battery problems.
 
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