Goodbye cruel world!
I drove on IBSP as well as the Pine Barrens and would definitely consider a Wilderness if I were looking to buy today. The beach has been fine in my Onyx (even in deep sugar sand) and the X-Mode disengaging isn't an issue when driving the posted speed limit on the beach.I guess the calculus is all about determining your most likely pattern of off-road use before you buy. For me, who won't be rock-crawling (or towing) but who would like to get the Sube out on some dirt roads in the Pine Barrens or the beach at the Jersey shore, the Onyx gives me exactly what I need and no more. Because that "more" in the case of the Wilderness means less mpg and the loss of the Onyx' clean good looks.
I bought my Onyx XT before the Wilderness was announced. Put it this way - if I'd bought a Premium or Touring XT before the Onyx edition came out, I would have regretted my choice. But the Wilderness doesn't cause me any angst over a failure to wait, especially since I was able to get the Onyx at 4 grand off the list price with a CD player.
Are there organized trips through the pine barrens that you're aware of?But when I when I took it to the Pine Barrens, the lower part of my bumper was acting like a shovel. 😁 Probably because I was trying to keep up with lifted Foresters and Crosstreks and taking some trails a little too quickly. Other than the additional clearance, I would love to have the Ascent differential. I'd be willing to give up the better fuel economy for a slightly quicker car.
I bought an Outback because its the best of both worlds. More practical than jeeps and 4runners while having some sort of "soft" roading capability.I personally don’t see the Wilderness selling well. I have a difficult time imagining a buyer who is serious enough about off-roading to consider a lifted Outback, and doesn’t buy a pickup or Jeep instead.
Well said.Lets get real about off roading. There is no serious off roading that any subaru can do. Its a great car with maybe the best all wheel drive but really lacks the ground clearance to the body and drive train to do anything serious. For the snow or exploring some desert roads it might be the best road car built but nothing serious. no one is going to put an XT or wilderness out deer hunting or down an overgrown trail with greasewood or manzanita squealing as it peels the paint off with desert pinstiriping. There are no 3/16 steel body panels or rocker guards much less real undercarriage skid plates. No ability or place for high lif jacks to be carried or used. If you want off road, then fuel cost is not a real consideration for a dozen reasons including friction of larger tires as well as weight added for additional armor and increased drag for every inch lifted and aerodynamic loss due to turbulance under and around the lifted vehicle. I want my wife and family to be safe and have advantages over other all wheel drives for snow, desert roads, long rutted driveways in winter and just flat going out fishing. Leave that to your Toyotas, Rubicons or Powerwagons with tranfercases, armor, lockers, lifts, and large tires. Im not ragging on the Subarus as we have had 4 in the last 10 years, ordered a Wilderness, and think they are absolutely great for their purpose. If you want to push the limits dont look for our outback or wilderness. I will dust off the 12mpg PowerWagon check all the recovery and rescue gear and if you are not too far maybe come and pull out whats left of your Subaru. All have a designed purpose. We love our Subaru too much to just abuse it.
The differences between the Onyx and Wilderness are more than just tires and ground clearance. The Wilderness also has different gearing, enhanced x-mode and better approach/departure angles to name a few things.Funny, my wife and I just had this discussion yesterday. We already replaced the stock tires on our Onyx with Wildpeak AT tires so it is really just the added .8th an inch ground clearance. We decided against replacing our 2020. Just too similar a car and we will like the better gas mileage most everyday over a different paint job. It’s all personal preference in the end. If we had our old 17 premium then yeah, we would have bought the wilderness.
Its nice to have the recovery points but the real trick is to not need to use them. When in back country of any sort and somewhat remote, travel in pairs and keep a radio in the car. Have the needed synthetic line and soft shackles to connect to other vehicles. Cell seems to disappear when remote and thats where a radio comes in handy. Recovery points need a recovery vehicle. When the wife says 6 miles past last cell phone service, the 2 meter gets turned on as well as gmrs. People dont think much about it till they are out of cell service. Hmmmmm, too late.plus dual recovery points front and back, the stronger roof rack, and the real important part is the black sticker on the hood.
I'm all set to add one to my Onyx. Plus I intend to wear my fake Rolex on the trip. No one is gonna know except those reading this post. Yeah, BLING, BLING, BLING!Don't overlook how much safer you'll be with a black sticker on the hood. You'll never travel alone as throngs of people follow you to see what you do with your handsome hood and would leap at an opportunity to help if you needed it. The Jeep guys will be SO JEALOUS 'cause you'll be the one getting the attention no matter where you go. Friends? You'll have so many you'll have to fight them off like flies!
Or you can wait one year to buy one....I learned a long time ago, and painfully so, an item is worth what someone is willing to pay.
If people are willing to pay MSRP or MSRP+ then guess what, if someone wants a Wilderness, that is what they will have to pay.
From what i have read (it's very early, with few Wilderness editions on the road) the mileage in the real world comparison from the Onyx and Wilderness are VERY similar. Like car and driver has 1 MPG difference on the highway and 2 MPG combined. Other combined MGP from what I've seen has been nearly identical.Hello, all! Opinions are like noses, so here goes . . .
The Wilderness and Onyx editions of the Outback will undoubtedly cannibalize sales from each other; heck I struggle to think of any similar examples of "specialty" models so similar to each other being offered simultaneously by the same automaker. It seems inevitable that the Wilderness will end up replacing the Onyx in the lineup.
Do you agree? Or does the Onyx offer virtues that will let it stick around?
The higher ride height and offroad-focused tires in the Wilderness does a number to the turbo's gas mileage, about 3 mpg less than the Onyx I believe. But the Onyx has all the important stuff, including the mud 'n sand modes, the front-facing camera and the full-size spare. And, to me, the blacked-out trim of the Onyx is just about perfect, with the clean front end, amazing wheels and the touch of chrome around the windows that, I dunno, adds a "town and country" vibe. (I like it, anyway) The grille of the Wilderness is too busy, the cladding is dialed up to cartoonish levels, there are weird copper bits I just don't get, and there's a big decal on the hood. I'll take the smoo-oo-th, clean look of the Onyx,
On the other hand, there's undeniable value in the strengthened roof rails and better tires in the Wilderness, but the extra ground clearance isn't, for me, worth the trade-off in gas mileage when the off-roading I'm most apt to do is take it out on the beach at the Jersey shore.
Best thing to hope for is that there's a market for both.