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I have been keeping up with the posts and have done alot of internet searches. The only 2 in the states that I have come across is Rallitec and Primitive racing but no true nudge bar. One makes a light bar but what assurance does it give you when so thin around. Has anyone come across any others in the states besides also the one in Australia and not wanting to order a bar and have problems with it and how to would you send it back. I want a nudge to give front protection more than just whats there and know theres metal instead of plastic. Also bolt on no through bumper.
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You have to get one custom fabricated. No customer demand.
 

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Is there any customer demand for those that ARE thru the bumper? I have not seen one but maybe someone knows something I don't
 

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Having looked behind my Gen 3 bumper I would caution you that the structure just isn't very stout. Without fabricating an entire new front end (alloy bumper and bar) with additional support braces, there just isn't enough strength there to survive a hit and not just cave in all the parts.

Like every other modern passenger car, it's designed to crumple and absorb the energy during impact, not resist all movement.

If you mount a stout bar to your OEM aluminum bumper crossbar, you will end up getting it shoved through your condenser, radiator and maybe the front of the engine.

If you want to drive around hitting coyotes and deer without damaging your rig, that Aussie bull bar is probably your best choice, or buy a strong body-on-frame SUV and install an offroad bumper. There are plenty of choices for 4Runners and RAMs.....

Yeah, it sucks, but that's the way it is these days.

Is this the one you were looking at? It's pretty darn cool.





http://www.subaxtreme.com.au/subaru/bullbars/offroad_specs.html

The ones for our cars start at A$2145 .... I wonder how much to ship 10,000 miles....?

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I've often wanted/wondered about a 'nudge bar' or the like for the Baja. Is the front structure of the car/truck tough enough to deal with one of those in an actual collision at other-than-parking-lot-speeds? Or, will it simply bend the subframe, and need $10,000 worth of frame-straightening-machine time for a relatively minor collision?
 

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I've often wanted/wondered about a 'nudge bar' or the like for the Baja. Is the front structure of the car/truck tough enough to deal with one of those in an actual collision at other-than-parking-lot-speeds? Or, will it simply bend the subframe, and need $10,000 worth of frame-straightening-machine time for a relatively minor collision?
Pretty much zero unibody built vehicles today that you can mount a heavy built bull bar too and expect the unibody behind it to stay intact when levered hard by impact on the bull bar.

These big bars are giant levers mounted to a light weight frame designed to take very specific loads and being levered hard vs a strait on impact is one of the loads they simply are not built to handle. Your better off hitting a deer with the stock bumper - having the hood wiped out - busted radiator and other soft target stuff - smashed windshield - then having it hit a large bull bar hand having the frame of the car wrecked by the levered load bending the front of the car starting at the frame. You can replace a bent hood and busted radiator and smashed window easily - you can't fix a bent frame easily or at all.

Only good thing these bars are for on unibody cars are places to mount additional lights and by having a light built bar that will break before it damages the frame of the car is a good thing.

A full off road bumper bolted to the frame of the car with a bull bar welded to the bumper is a little better but it will still generate levered loads on the front sub frame that can bend the frame more so than a standard bumper taking a strait on hit etc.

A full frame vehicle is a different story you can have crazy strong bull bars that can actually be used to push other vehicles or in our case on the ranch herd large bulls nudging them along ie the bull bar etc with out any negative impact to the solid full frame its mounted too.
 

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I've often wanted/wondered about a 'nudge bar' or the like for the Baja. Is the front structure of the car/truck tough enough to deal with one of those in an actual collision at other-than-parking-lot-speeds? Or, will it simply bend the subframe, and need $10,000 worth of frame-straightening-machine time for a relatively minor collision?
BINGO! That's why you don't see these on unibody cars, or they are labelled "off road" to avoid the liability issue of selling one to a customer who ends up totaling his car when he hits a tree stump at 10 mph.....

Getting a steel or alloy bumper to work seamlessly with airbags is a real challenge. It can be done, but it doesn't come cheap. ARB road-legal bumpers (for trucks) are airbag safe, but they can suffer serious, expen$ive damage in a relatively minor collision because of the design requirements.

"AIR BAG COMPATIBILITY

With an air bag equipped 4x4 it is essential that the vehicle's crush rate and air bag triggering is not altered when a bull bar is installed. To ensure compatibility, ARB assesses each vehicle's frontal crush characteristics and replicates the crush rate into the design of each air bag compatible bull bar and its mounting system. This method enables engineers to achieve maximum possible vehicle and passenger protection without affecting the crash pulse. ARB has invested heavily in vehicle crash barrier tests to validate the performance and compliance of its air bag compatible bull bars, and as a consequence, our bars offer a far greater level of protection than most standard brush guards and grille guards. "

Bull Bars/Bumpers & Tire Carriers

And yeah, what subiesailor said...... he beat me to the response by a minute......

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The only I have found after searching and not a big fan of Primitive bolt through decided to go with Rallinnovations light bar as true about if you go to thick the SRS sensor may fail in a crash. The light bar weighs 16lbs and orders a skid gaurd thats added for protection of the front bumper, also orderd the rear skid from primitive.
 
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