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Hi guys,

This is my first post. Great website! I'm sure you'll learn more about me as time goes on, but I'll try to stick to the thread topic for now.

Long story short, we (my future wife and I - we get married in two weeks 8/14) have decided that on paper the new Outback is great and we plan hopefully buying one next year.

Reading C&D, however, I was stunned to see such a poor stopping distance (200+ ft from 70-0). Now, we don't know what conditions they it tested on, etc, but that number is sub-par to say the least. In contrast, my 330i stops in 158 ft.

It could very well be the crappy all-season tires, but what I don't get is why Subaru would offer smaller brakes on the Outback despite it being a heavier (and more expensive) car. I understand that massive rotors wont do any good since you would just lock up the tires, but at 225, the OB tires seem wide enough to handle the Legacy GT brakes (about an inch larger in diameter). I know that the Legacy GT's come with Z-rated tires, but I can't imagine they would base the rotor application on one particular tire's performance. I plan on getting dedicated winter and summer tires as with my current cars.

Any thoughts? Any comments on how the car stops from those who have driven one?

Thanks.

Oh yeah, the OB would basically be the family/wife's car, so it needs to have an auto-tranny. By the time you spec an XT with auto and Limited, it costs the same as an LL Bean with a smooth 3.0, so that is what we are aiming for. If it were for me, I'd get a manual XT. I'll only be driving this car on family vacations or severe winter weather. The rest of the time I drive my baby.:D (same color as the C&D article).

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=6978&page_number=1
 

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70+ views and no replies? People must care a lot more about going fast than slowing down. That's scary.
 

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Sorry, I was hanging back to see if anyone else who knew more would answer. Refer to scoobymods.com or any of the high-performance Legacy groups for a better knowledge base on this subject.

AFAIK the better aftermarket brakes for the Legacy should bolt up to the OB. I've replaced the pads on my 98 OB, and I've always heard that removing rotors is also reasonably easy. And if there's this much upgrading going on, it would probably be a good time to go to SS brake lines - but you probably knew that.

This is all on the wish list for my car, along with the driving lights. All lined up and waiting behind the head gaskets :rolleyes:

(edited to add) also see this thread about upgrading OBS brakes

eeewwwww, mush
 

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I have logged about 150 miles on my new XT. The wheels have more break dust on them than I would like to see for this amout of miles. It looks as though I will be shopping for new break pads soon.

I will let you know how it goes. As it is though, I do not believe that the stopping is unrealistic for the car. It is not as good as the Morano was, but it is not that bad.
 

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Hi rwsub,

Sorry for not replying sooner but it was late here and I was sleeping ;)

I have the Aus MY04 3.0R (same as USDM MY05) and I would have to say the braking is somewhat disappointing. I doesn't feel there's a whole lot of braking power there, and it's not that hard to start locking wheels and have the ABS kick in. To be fair the two cars I had before this had Z rated ultra high performance tires on them. I don't think putting that sort of tire on the Outback will help braking much though as it feels to me that the calipers just aren't strong enough. You might ask Boxer 3.0R about this as he's done it.

I think the all terrain tires are fine for powering the car, all wheel drive makes up for the lack of grip compared to a high performance road tire, but when braking of course all cars use all four wheels, so you will see a difference. I'm sure the Legacy GT would brake better due to being setup as a road car.
 

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Jondalar,

I really have not had the opportunity to do any hard breaking at all. I am doing my best to break in the engine properly. I have been very easy on it in all aspects. I must admit that it is the very hard to keep my foot out of the gas. That car wants to just get up and go.

I do use a the engine to help with stoping the car, so maybe that is why I do not notice the problems you discribe with the breaking systems. I just traded in a 04 Ford Explorer Sport Trac for this thing and it seems to break better than that tank.

If nothing else however, I will be changing the pads as soon as possible to something aftermarket to reduce the break dust issue. I will have to do some research to see what is best. It may turn out that replacing the entire set up with new rotors and calipers may not be too expensive. I wonder what I can talk the wife into letting me do.

That car is great though. I will have to post some pictures.
 

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If anything for braking (not that its a performance car) fit some bendix advance/ultimates pads which you will notice the increase in braking power,and shorter pull up times.
 

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mbr129,

Yes Jondalar is right, I put a set of DBA slotted rotors onto my PREVIOUS Outback H6. My new 3.0R has the standard rotors on it. The DBA rotors did seem to help with the braking distance but without a back to back comparison I couldn't say exactly by how much. They did have a much better initial bite to them when applied reasonably hard. You will get a little noise from the slotted rotors when applying the brakes reasonably hard, but not a big deal.

You didn't say whether your Outback was a 2.5 or a 3.0R.

I believe the rotors for the Liberty (Legacy) GT would fit the Outback and they are bigger in diameter but I'm not sure by how much. Someone here maybe able to tell you for certain whether this can be done. Having said that I believe the DBA rotors are a good upgrade as they are cheaper than putting the Legacy GT rotors on and the metal they use is superior to the original equipment rotors.

The original pad material used in the Subaru's are quite hard as they don't leave alot of brake dust and this maybe where the difference lies between it and the BMW. Ever noticed how much dust is on a BMW wheel even after a day after being washed? I used a pad material on the DBA's that didn't leave a lot of dust so there maybe some gains to be made by using a softer compound, but even with the hardish compound it did brake better. I dare say that it would even be better with a soft compound like the BMW's. Maybe even the original brakes could benefit from a softer compound but beware extra of heat build up and extra dust.

The DBA's would be better able to absorb the heat build up by a softer compound as well as they are designed that way. Go to www.dba.com.au and read up about it and see your local brake SPECIALIST in the USA as they can be purchased over there.
 

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Thanks for the input guys.

We don't own an outback yet, but when we do it will be a R3.0 LLBean.

I don't mind a dusty pad as long as it provides better performance. I am used to the routine of washing the wheels in my two cars 330i and 190E 2.6.
 

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One other issue I remembered - there can be a problem with clearance between the brake components and the wheel. It might the case that some brake systems that would bolt up to the hub assembly would not fit under the profile of the rims, and you'd have to get rims that allow more space for brakes.

I don't know if I would benefit from slotted rotors; I don't have many problems with brake fade that would be helped by increased ventilation. I live in an area of flat terrain, and I don't race, so my biggest need for powerful braking is usually when someone makes a bad move in front of me and I need a fast-as-possible stop that probably won't be followed by more such stops soon.

(edited to add) Since I drive a 5MT, I have the option of downshifting on a long grade, and the car doesn't generally push against the brakes as much in city traffic as an automatic tranny would.



That dang LeSabre I'm driving has a little bit of rotor warp, I'll probably have to swap those out.
 

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i'd say keep the rotors and swap the Buick... :- )
 

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outback vs lagacy

I just had my '03 outback in for repair (blower motor resistor) anyway I got a rental car which was an '03 legacy L wagon.

The outback sucked in braking comparison . Same car with B12 chassis different brakes & both auto trans. The legacy had much better braking!

I'm upgrading for sure :ss -lines/pads for now./calipers/rotors later.:eek:
 

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ss brakeline

I'd be up for a group buy to save a few bucks.
 

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re SS line group buy

i'm in
 

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Sure, AFAIK this would be the first group buy for this group.
 
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