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Can the ts508 also reprogram using the stock Subaru sensors on 2018s? I have a set of snows with rims and Oem sensors. Subaru wants an arm and a leg to reprogram and discount tire is a zoo this time of year.
From what I read in the literature, it should be able to do it. I'll be doing that in the spring when I put my factory wheels back on. The aftermarket OEM sensors I bought are supposed to be functional equivalents of the OEM sensors. So it should work.
 

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For anyone out there that is interested you could also use the older version of this tool, THe Autel TS-501, also currently available new and equally capable. They are somewhere around $235 on amazon and maybe elsewhere.
 

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Can the ts508 also reprogram using the stock Subaru sensors on 2018s? I have a set of snows with rims and Oem sensors. Subaru wants an arm and a leg to reprogram and discount tire is a zoo this time of year.
Yes, the Autel will read the sensor ID from each wheel and then allow you to load that into your car's computer. The Autel scanners will read codes of all brands of TPMS sensors, aftermarket or Subaru. The Autel is only capable of programming their own brand of TPMS sensors for cloning purposes.

The reprogram relearn procedure will take 5 minutes from start to finish.
 

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Also buy an Autel TS508 TPMS tool.
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Procedure:
Believe it or not, everything went smoothly, at least as far as TPMS is concerned.

Step 1: I bought a new TS508 from Tire Rack. ...

The [Firmware] values updated were:

  • Sys from V1.19 --> V1.70
  • HW V1.00
  • Sens from V5.42 --> V5.53
  • Vehicle from V1.41 --> V1.53
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The latest version of the firmware for the Autel TS508 tool can read stock and aftermarket sensors and write the values to the ECU. So victory!

And, the TS508 is pretty reasonably priced: I got mine for $275 + tax at Tire Rack. They also make a kit that comes with 8 programmable (clonable) sensors (4 x 315 MHz, 4 x 433 MHz) for $320.
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Good luck if you're taking on a similar project.
Thank you for posting about the "Make a kit" option. I just ordered the kit, with free delivery (of course) next day to my door.

I really appreciate you posting about your successes.

Gives me confidence I can correct a TPMS problem on my '16 OB using this tool.

If it cannot fix the problem, there is only one other TPMS tool by Autel, the TS608, that can fix my TPMS problem. That's a pro-level tool and outside my price range ($575 @ tirerack.com). It is also a tool a local shop's TPMS specialist has in his toolbox if the need arises.

The 4 sensors I can use as the OEM TPMS units fail or get damaged over time nearly pay for the kit.
 

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Glad it helps. My 2016 was much easier to deal with - if you intend on cloning the sensor IDs then the 508 (or the older 501) should work. But I could change sensor IDs on my 2016 with the older TS401 tool and the ATEQ Quickset. You can probably find those tools cheaper, but they can't program the sensors themselves with cloned IDs. See this older thread for how I did this on my '16: https://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/81-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension/386785-tpms-questions-2.html#post4420505
 

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Sorry, haven't been active on this board in a while. I'm happy to hear that this is finally resolved (nice documentation, GrumpySquatch), and glad to hear that some of my prior research was helpful.

A year ago I added an Autel TS-408 to supplement my 2011 vintage ATEQ Quickset. While Autel finally updated their software to include coverage for the 2018 Outback late last summer (and I tested it by pinging a co-workers 2018 Outback), ATEQ has been slow at doing the same. Fortunately for me, I still drive a 2014 so don't need the full suite, but it's disappointing that ATEQ is over a year behind now.

Autel makes great, low cost tools. I only paid $115 for the 408 in 2017, but still wish I could have afforded a single tool solution at the time. Last year the 508 was around $400, and a little too rich for me. At $275 today it's a no-brainer, especially with 3 cars and 12 snow tires in my garage.

My intention is to generate clone sensors going forward, so that this eventually becomes a tool-less seasonal changeover. The only downside of the Autel system is that it's a walled garden. If you own a 408 or 508 and want to make clones, you must buy Autel's sensors. Bartec and most other tool makers are more expensive up front but universal, and can program a wide variety of blank programmable sensor brands. So the next big test will be for someone to buy Autel MX-sensors and see if they can successfully write the full protocol, and if the 2018/2019 Outback can 'see' and apply them.
 

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Thank you for this.

Thank you for this. I'm working on my 2009 Outback to develop cloned Schrader 33500's for the snow wheels, and this was quite helpful. That Autel TS508 looks like a very nice tool. :nerd:

Lee
 

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Got my kit from ADAP during the week and fixed the TPMS warning on the 17 OB today. The tool updated painlessly and scanned and updated sensor info from the snow tire/wheel combo to the ECU. After clearing the DTC, there was no TPMS warning lamp on. Drove around a bit, and all is well. Excellent tool! The parameters on the TS508 after updates are as follows:
1. Sys software version: V1.21
2. H/W version: V1.00 (same)
3. Sensor version: V5.55
4. Vehicle version: V1.54
Need to get the warning lamp off a Suzuki SX4 SportBack this evening.
 

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Picked up the TS508K (TS508 with 8 MX sensors) from Advanceauto for $254.39 after tax, free shipping. Used the 25% off coupon from retailmenot and got $80 off the list of $319. I had to use the Opera browser in order for the order to work properly for some strange reason.
 

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After clearing the DTC, there was no TPMS warning lamp on.
I've been doing uploads on TPMS on 4 vehicles (winter & summer tire changes) since 2011 with an ATEQ Quickset, Autel TS-408, and now have a TS-508. I've not had system operational issues, so probably no DTC's set. But as these are not the typical P0xxx or P1xxx codes, what DTC did you get, what tool did you use for reading it out, and what tool did you use for clearing it? Thanks!
 

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I've been doing uploads on TPMS on 4 vehicles (winter & summer tire changes) since 2011 with an ATEQ Quickset, Autel TS-408, and now have a TS-508. I've not had system operational issues, so probably no DTC's set. But as these are not the typical P0xxx or P1xxx codes, what DTC did you get, what tool did you use for reading it out, and what tool did you use for clearing it? Thanks!
I meant the TPMS lamp; I equated it to a DTC. The tool prompted me to clear DTC codes, and I selected the option to do it. The TPMS lamp went out and I did not even have to drive it for it to go off. When I had Discount Tire do it last year, I had to drive a few minutes at least before the lamp went off.
 

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Interesting! So the TS508 allows you to clear out any lingering issues as well as upload the new ID codes. Good to know. Thanks.
 

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Picked up the TS508K (TS508 with 8 MX sensors) from Advanceauto for $254.39 after tax, free shipping. Used the 25% off coupon from retailmenot and got $80 off the list of $319. I had to use the Opera browser in order for the order to work properly for some strange reason.
I was unable to order the TS508K from the Advance Auto website. I figured out the problem. I was attempting to order the wrong part #. Thank you for the clarification, @Scrmn6.
 

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I was unable to order the TS508K from the Advance Auto website. They must have been upset with people receiving the 20-25% discount off the unit.
I ordered the top item, part # ts508kmv-1. I did not login and did the order as anonymous, and used the Opera browser as Firefox, Safari, and Chrome did not work. Get the coupon from retailmenot[dot]com. There are 3 part numbers for this and only the one mentioned works.
 

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While the TS-508 with 8 included sensors seems like a great deal, in the long run the savings might not be as much as you think...

The problem is that the package includes the old style sensors: 4 of the 315mhz and 4 of the 433mhz. These were superseded by dual band MX-1 sensors over a year ago (maybe long). The TS-508 has been out in the marketplace 2 years this April, so may of these "K" kits could be 15 to 20 months old at this point. Most places don't even sell them anymore. If you have immediate need for units of both frequency and will put all 8 right into service, the price can't be beat. But if not (one set will remain in the kit unused, for instance), you might be better off just buying the tool and new style sensors as you need them.

The old sensors were heavier, while the new ones are the reduced weight and form factor very similar to the new Schrader EZ 33500. It's easier to balance with less applied external weights. With revised electronics and fewer internal parts count, battery life is likely longer too. And they include both transmitters in one shell for maximum flexibility and all applications.

You can order MX-1's with rubber valve stems for around $90 for a set of 4, metal stems for around $100. I bought 4 metal ones on ebay recently for $98. Just something to consider....
 

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The package includes 8 identical sensors plus 4 metal valve adapters in a box. They used to kit it with 4X 315 MHz + 4X 433 MHz sensors in the past. I am out of state, but will post pictures upon return. The kits Advance ships out are quite fresh based on the date code I remember. I got $50 off with an Advance coupon. Some folks are getting $80 off $320. My kit was @$285 with taxes delivered. The best prices I noted for the TS508 itself were @$235 at the time I bought my kit.
 

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Sweet! Yes, I still see a bunch of the very old kits with black and orange sensors, older kits with all black dedicated 315(4) and 433(4), and some sellers with the NEW dual band sensors and 4 extra metal stems.

Last year I bought the TS508 alone for $215, and then 4 sensors for $98 so I'm in for $313. If you can score the tool plus 8 new style sensors for only $285 you have indeed done very well!
 

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While the TS-508 with 8 included sensors seems like a great deal, in the long run the savings might not be as much as you think...

The problem is that the package includes the old style sensors: 4 of the 315mhz and 4 of the 433mhz. These were superseded by dual band MX-1 sensors over a year ago (maybe long). The TS-508 has been out in the marketplace 2 years this April, so may of these "K" kits could be 15 to 20 months old at this point. Most places don't even sell them anymore. If you have immediate need for units of both frequency and will put all 8 right into service, the price can't be beat. But if not (one set will remain in the kit unused, for instance), you might be better off just buying the tool and new style sensors as you need them.

The old sensors were heavier, while the new ones are the reduced weight and form factor very similar to the new Schrader EZ 33500. It's easier to balance with less applied external weights. With revised electronics and fewer internal parts count, battery life is likely longer too. And they include both transmitters in one shell for maximum flexibility and all applications.

You can order MX-1's with rubber valve stems for around $90 for a set of 4, metal stems for around $100. I bought 4 metal ones on ebay recently for $98. Just something to consider....
The kit from advance has 8 of the new MX-1 dual band sensors, and 4 metal stems included.
 

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Just a follow-up. I put my 3 season tires back on today, used the tool to relearn the sensors into the OBD2. Five minutes from start to finish. A short drive later and the system is all set.
 
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