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I'm thinking that they probably tuned the turbo to limit torque off the line in order to prolong life of the CVT. Even the high torque version of the CVT will struggle with very high torque without causing excessive wear.
 

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I'm thinking that they probably tuned the turbo to limit torque off the line in order to prolong life of the CVT. Even the high torque version of the CVT will struggle with very high torque without causing excessive wear.
From what I have previously read, that’s true. Also what is true is that the “boost point” is not just related to the CVTs limits, it’s mileage. When boost is enabled the fuel and air are increased together. A lot. Mpg goes down quickly. In my FXT a few full throttle fast passes when the vehicle easily zoomed up to 80-90 were deadly to mpg. But, cruising along at 60 with nothing showing on the boost gauge the mileage was over 30 mpg, easily.

The poster above with the BMW not only has a different transmission, it’s also tuned as a performance vehicle.
Early boost point, maximum go fast, running premium. Feels good, though.


The OBXT has to deliver a little better mileage than the 3.6 somehow, so careful tuning and the A/SS with a default three step “off” system helps out.

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Discuss the reliability of the turbo unit over the life of the car. I have never owned one with a turbo, and never wanted one so I can't offer any real world experience on this subject, but would love to hear from some owners that have had one for many years and lots of miles. I tend to keep cars 200K+ miles so I am used to things eventually wearing out like trans and alternators and AC compressors. I have heard that turbos are very expensive to replace, so that is why I choose not to add another item to the list of potential repairs. Also, I do not tow things or live in the mountains, am a conservative driver that puts about 12K miles per year on my car. I traded my '02 Chrysler with 187K miles (on it's 3rd trans...) for an '18 OB 2.5L and it is everything that I wanted and needed.
Have 3 cars with turbos. Both a 2003 VW Passat 2.4T and a 2003 Volvo V70 2.4T have approx 165000 miles. Both bought new, use synthetic 5w40 oil in both, cool down after a run, change oil at 5K or less. No turbo problems. Newer car is a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee with v6 turbo diesel. Use to tow a travel trailer. Drive easily on initial towing, cool down, change oil at 5K, approx 50% recommended interval. Bought new. 37K, no problems.
 

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New poster, I test drove both engines and the Turbo was just a better experience overall especially on the highway, so I picked that. We do a lot of drives to my Partner's parents' house, which is an hour drive through nowhere Kansas. Kansas drivers are very frustrating (slow, do not pay attention, scared of any weather that is not sunny for some weird reason), the extra Zip really helped me get around those drivers. As another comparison, I actually took mine in today to get a hitch and the audio upgraded and took a Crosstrek loaner. After 2 minutes, I was already really missing the turbo. Yeah, the gas mileage is not the best, but honestly compared to my Focus (which averaged about 28 mpg overall), I don't really mind. Now if they get a powerful hybrid option, it would be possible to get closer to have your cake and eat it too.
 

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New poster, I test drove both engines and the Turbo was just a better experience overall especially on the highway, so I picked that. We do a lot of drives to my Partner's parents' house, which is an hour drive through nowhere Kansas. Kansas drivers are very frustrating (slow, do not pay attention, scared of any weather that is not sunny for some weird reason), the extra Zip really helped me get around those drivers. As another comparison, I actually took mine in today to get a hitch and the audio upgraded and took a Crosstrek loaner. After 2 minutes, I was already really missing the turbo. Yeah, the gas mileage is not the best, but honestly compared to my Focus (which averaged about 28 mpg overall), I don't really mind. Now if they get a powerful hybrid option, it would be possible to get closer to have your cake and eat it too.
How's the audio now compares to before?
 

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New poster, I test drove both engines and the Turbo was just a better experience overall especially on the highway, so I picked that. We do a lot of drives to my Partner's parents' house, which is an hour drive through nowhere Kansas. Kansas drivers are very frustrating (slow, do not pay attention, scared of any weather that is not sunny for some weird reason), the extra Zip really helped me get around those drivers. As another comparison, I actually took mine in today to get a hitch and the audio upgraded and took a Crosstrek loaner. After 2 minutes, I was already really missing the turbo. Yeah, the gas mileage is not the best, but honestly compared to my Focus (which averaged about 28 mpg overall), I don't really mind. Now if they get a powerful hybrid option, it would be possible to get closer to have your cake and eat it too.
Your logical fallacy is anecdotal.
 

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How's the audio now compares to before?
So I haven't had enough time to customize the settings to my perfect liking, but with default settings, it sounds way better than the base system. I listen to a lot of different music, but mainly hip-hop, and with the base version, the bass was so loud but tinny at the same time, I had to up the mids by 4 and the highs by like 3 points, and lower the base by 2 points just to hear the music somewhat balanced, but then anything, not bass-heavy, sound tinny and far away. With the Rockfords, everything sounded way better and will probably sound even better once I have fiddled with the eq and audio settings (probably increase the lows a point or two and maybe the mids and highs a point each).

However, I have heard the HKs are even better, unfortunately (or to be more accurate purposefully), aren't available to us Onyx owners.
 

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Well, that's why it is called an opinion and not a fact. However, I'm sorry that my opinion doesn't satisfy you, Commander Spock.
I can corroborate your statement. KS and MO drivers are sloooow and like to camp in the lane one right from the left lane. Very frustrating. Much prefer Chicago and LA driving. At least they are decisive. I can respect that.
 

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Most of those left lane parkers are out of state in my experience. I wish I'd see the law cite at least one of them before I die, it's been on the book for years now.
 

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Yikes, my comment was meant to be a humorous retort and wasn't meant to escalate, but I guess mission failed, still escalated anyway....I'll just keep my humor at the door moving forward, as I don't want to derail the thread anymore then I have.
It made me chuckle. Mission accomplished.
 

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Going to be in the market for a 2020 shortly, and trying to decide between an XT (probably Onyx) or 2.5 (probably limited).

Current vehicle - 2014 Outback Limited 2.5. 180,000 miles. Yes, I put on 30k miles per year, so a lease is a no way! I find the power adequate most of the time, but have frequently found it underpowered, especially loaded down with camping gear bouncing around hill country. I get around 24-25 mpg as an overall average. The car has been very good to me, oil changes is about all it needs. It's been awesome on tire and brake life, only had the brakes done once in its life and still on the original rotors. I do run winter tires and xi3's are on their 5th winter., and it's only had 2 sets of all seasons. But just recently both front wheel bearings went, there's rattles developing, etc. I mean, it's pushing 200k miles. It's gonna start costing more in maintenance. And I've never opened up the CVT and changed that fluid, I know it's supposed to be lifetime, but that has me worried.

- Work commute is very short. But I'm an engineer in a steel mill and have had 14 flat tires in 5 years driving around the mill! All repairable. But the full size spare of the Onyx is attractive for the "don't have to get this done RIGHT THIS MOMENT" factor.

- divorced dad, so 3.5 times a week I'm back and forth to see or pick up the kids, who are an hour away on country, twisty 2 lane highways. XT sounds fun, lol. And yeah, that's a factor.

- Extended family is 5 hrs away, I have a cabin 6 hrs away, girlfriend is 9 hrs away, and I'm a hardcore weekend warrior who thinks nothing of driving 8 hrs each way for a 3 day weekend to the mountains on a fishing/camping trip or to the beach. Probably 80% of total miles are on interstate, this is how I rack up so many miles. Being quiet, composed, comfortable road trip vehicle is important here. I'm gonna LOVE adaptive cruise whichever I choose.

I do a little offroading. Not serious stuff, I don't go for the "purpose" of offroading. But fishing and hunting involve frequent fire road stuff, and it goes on the well packed beaches now and then.

Concerns:
1. Never had a turbo. Over a 200k mile expected life with me, what's the increased maintenance gonna look like?
2. Is 200k mile life reasonable in an XT? Or don't they last as long?
3. Insurance cost. Will check. And mpg penalty on the interstate, specifically?
4. If I buy new, drive for close to 200k miles over 6 years, and trade it in. What's the difference in trade value between the XT and 2.5? I'm gonna get $5-6k on the 2014, for reference.
5. How much worse is the stereo on the Onyx vs. the Limited? What's the difference in noise level? Road trip comfort is important.
 

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Going to be in the market for a 2020 shortly, and trying to decide between an XT (probably Onyx) or 2.5 (probably limited).

Current vehicle - 2014 Outback Limited 2.5. 180,000 miles. Yes, I put on 30k miles per year, so a lease is a no way! I find the power adequate most of the time, but have frequently found it underpowered, especially loaded down with camping gear bouncing around hill country. I get around 24-25 mpg as an overall average. The car has been very good to me, oil changes is about all it needs. It's been awesome on tire and brake life, only had the brakes done once in its life and still on the original rotors. I do run winter tires and xi3's are on their 5th winter., and it's only had 2 sets of all seasons. But just recently both front wheel bearings went, there's rattles developing, etc. I mean, it's pushing 200k miles. It's gonna start costing more in maintenance. And I've never opened up the CVT and changed that fluid, I know it's supposed to be lifetime, but that has me worried.

- Work commute is very short. But I'm an engineer in a steel mill and have had 14 flat tires in 5 years driving around the mill! All repairable. But the full size spare of the Onyx is attractive for the "don't have to get this done RIGHT THIS MOMENT" factor.

- divorced dad, so 3.5 times a week I'm back and forth to see or pick up the kids, who are an hour away on country, twisty 2 lane highways. XT sounds fun, lol. And yeah, that's a factor.

- Extended family is 5 hrs away, I have a cabin 6 hrs away, girlfriend is 9 hrs away, and I'm a hardcore weekend warrior who thinks nothing of driving 8 hrs each way for a 3 day weekend to the mountains on a fishing/camping trip or to the beach. Probably 80% of total miles are on interstate, this is how I rack up so many miles. Being quiet, composed, comfortable road trip vehicle is important here. I'm gonna LOVE adaptive cruise whichever I choose.

I do a little offroading. Not serious stuff, I don't go for the "purpose" of offroading. But fishing and hunting involve frequent fire road stuff, and it goes on the well packed beaches now and then.

Concerns:
1. Never had a turbo. Over a 200k mile expected life with me, what's the increased maintenance gonna look like?
2. Is 200k mile life reasonable in an XT? Or don't they last as long?
3. Insurance cost. Will check. And mpg penalty on the interstate, specifically?
4. If I buy new, drive for close to 200k miles over 6 years, and trade it in. What's the difference in trade value between the XT and 2.5? I'm gonna get $5-6k on the 2014, for reference.
5. How much worse is the stereo on the Onyx vs. the Limited? What's the difference in noise level? Road trip comfort is important.
Onyx doesn't have acoustic side glass as Limited does. GF 8 hrs, turbo.
 

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Going to be in the market for a 2020 shortly, and trying to decide between an XT (probably Onyx) or 2.5 (probably limited).

Current vehicle - 2014 Outback Limited 2.5. 180,000 miles. Yes, I put on 30k miles per year, so a lease is a no way! I find the power adequate most of the time, but have frequently found it underpowered, especially loaded down with camping gear bouncing around hill country. I get around 24-25 mpg as an overall average. The car has been very good to me, oil changes is about all it needs. It's been awesome on tire and brake life, only had the brakes done once in its life and still on the original rotors. I do run winter tires and xi3's are on their 5th winter., and it's only had 2 sets of all seasons. But just recently both front wheel bearings went, there's rattles developing, etc. I mean, it's pushing 200k miles. It's gonna start costing more in maintenance. And I've never opened up the CVT and changed that fluid, I know it's supposed to be lifetime, but that has me worried.

- Work commute is very short. But I'm an engineer in a steel mill and have had 14 flat tires in 5 years driving around the mill! All repairable. But the full size spare of the Onyx is attractive for the "don't have to get this done RIGHT THIS MOMENT" factor.

- divorced dad, so 3.5 times a week I'm back and forth to see or pick up the kids, who are an hour away on country, twisty 2 lane highways. XT sounds fun, lol. And yeah, that's a factor.

- Extended family is 5 hrs away, I have a cabin 6 hrs away, girlfriend is 9 hrs away, and I'm a hardcore weekend warrior who thinks nothing of driving 8 hrs each way for a 3 day weekend to the mountains on a fishing/camping trip or to the beach. Probably 80% of total miles are on interstate, this is how I rack up so many miles. Being quiet, composed, comfortable road trip vehicle is important here. I'm gonna LOVE adaptive cruise whichever I choose.

I do a little offroading. Not serious stuff, I don't go for the "purpose" of offroading. But fishing and hunting involve frequent fire road stuff, and it goes on the well packed beaches now and then.

Concerns:
1. Never had a turbo. Over a 200k mile expected life with me, what's the increased maintenance gonna look like?
2. Is 200k mile life reasonable in an XT? Or don't they last as long?
3. Insurance cost. Will check. And mpg penalty on the interstate, specifically?
4. If I buy new, drive for close to 200k miles over 6 years, and trade it in. What's the difference in trade value between the XT and 2.5? I'm gonna get $5-6k on the 2014, for reference.
5. How much worse is the stereo on the Onyx vs. the Limited? What's the difference in noise level? Road trip comfort is important.
Don't dismiss the lease with the buy option. Even with your miles.
Run the numbers and compare!
 

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Consider me skeptical. Every lease option I've ever seen is maximum 15-20k miles. I'm gonna average 30k and 35-40k in a given year isn't out of the question. A brief googling turned up no lease options at all for that kind of mileage.
 

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Pcray:

Sounds like a split decision, with you as the tie breaker.
On the road you will enjoy the extra effortless power of the turbo, and the mpg will be pretty close to the 2.5.

Short trips in town are tough on direct injection turbos, so you may do better with the “severe “ maintenance schedule, mainly changing the oil more frequently, and using synthetic. There is at least a fairly decent chance you will have to deal with carbon fouling with the XT over the long term, less so with the 2.5. It’s the subject of a lot of arguments among the technocrats and armchair experts.

In my own case, a Subaru 2.0 DIT, it gummed up at 37,000 miles and I don’t have it anymore. But other folks have less problems, IMO because they do less frequent short trips.

Bottom line if I was you: XT, but figure on more maintenance, and probably less longevity than a 2.5.
But you will enjoy the vehicle more.

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