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Under-seat subwoofer installed: 2012 OB

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I installed the Sound Ordnance B-8PT this past weekend. I think this model is exclusive to Crutchfield and has gotten really good reviews compared to other under-seat subwoofers out on the market. It even comes with a 10 gauge installation kit for free. It was $199.99, but I got $20 off by spending over $200 (I added a $0.99 item that I didn’t even need). I haven’t heard the Subaru version, but I would bet that this thing gets louder, goes deeper, and gets lower. Don’t expect 20Hz, or even 30Hz to come out of this thing. The frequency response of this subwoofer is 40Hz-200Hz and running test tones through it verifies that.

First off, I didn’t even know if it would fit. The dimensions of the box and the area under the seat are so close that a test fit was really necessary. In the past, I’ve made cardboard models for this type of thing, but these days it’s just easier for me to test it out and send it back if it doesn’t fit. Long story short – it fits, with a very minor modification.

You must remove the seat to install this because it is that tight of a fit. Once you pull off the plastic covers that hide the seat bolts, you can then unbolt the 4 bolts. Fold the seat back into its most acute position and then lean the entire seat back against the back seat. This gives you plenty of room to work.

The modification necessary is to trim off the floor vent. It sticks out a little bit too much for the sub to sit flat on the ground.


Another test fit shows that it now fits nice and snug.


Since I was already down there I needed to find a grounding point. There is already a very handy grounding bolt underneath the carpet right between the two front seat bolts. You can pull back the carpet to reveal it. I cut the carpet because it was hot and I wanted to get out of the garage asap. I later mended the cut I made with a strip of Velcro. It will never be seen, so I’m OK with that.


I ran the short ground cable through to the hole near the drive shaft tunnel. I also ran my remote turn on wire and RCA cables to this location. Obviously that involved removing some trim panels and the radio itself. That stuff is already well documented elsewhere. You can also see the horizontal cut I made into the carpet between the two floor vents.


Next I ran the power wire through the grommet in the firewall that everybody uses. Just pull it out and drill a hole though it big enough to squeeze your wire through. I think I read somewhere that if you have the 6 speed, you will have to find an alternate location. The red arrows show the grommet reinstalled and the black wire loom that I ran to the battery. This is all routed behind the rubber barrier that’s located just to the outside of where the hood struts go. I have the rubber barrier folded up and out of the way in this picture. If you look closely, you can also see that I hid my HID ballast in there too.


Here's another shot of the wire routing (and HID ballast):


I pulled the wire into the cabin and ran it on the driver’s side of the drive shaft tunnel. Then I crossed it over to the passenger side over the tunnel and underneath the carpet. I tried to make sure that the power wire and RCAs intersected perpendicular to each other to minimize interference. With all the wires routed, here is the sub all wired up.

Couple more shots. From the front:

From the back:


At this point I bolted the seat back down and put the bolt covers back on. The seat has full range of motion. There is a very tiny piece of hardware that slides on the rail that ever so slightly touches the edge of the speaker surround as you move the seat all the way back. A couple passes and it scraped enough of the plastic speaker enclosure to clear the way for full fore-aft adjustment. We’re talking a fraction of a millimeter here – nothing to be alarmed about. Nobody will ever see the tiny scratch. It’s possible with a little more wiggling and positioning that I could have completely cleared the enclosure, but like I said, it was hot and I wanted to finish.

Here is a picture. The red arrow points to the metal piece that slides with the seat. The green arrow points to the scratch it made on the sub enclosure. Again, more judicious fitment of the enclosure could have avoided this, but as you can see it’s not a big deal at all.

With the seat back in place here is the front:

the rear:

And the side... You can access the controls here.

Tuning the subwoofer
I set the gain all the way up since I am using the remote gain control to vary the output. I know you’re supposed to set the gain to match the head unit’s output, but what does that really accomplish if you’re constantly varying the gain with the remote knob? Even when cranked I do not hear distortion with regular recorded music. 0dB test tones are a different story, but I don't listen to test tones for fun.

I set the crossover to on the sub to 80Hz, but it's crossed over even lower at the head unit (more on this later). I set the phase to 0 degrees. I played a 50Hz test tone as I moved the phase knob from 0 to 180 degrees and “0” produced the least cancellation and the loudest tone. 50Hz can still be heard through the main speakers becuase of the crossover's slope. There's always some bleed though past the crossover frequency. Additionally, I set the bass boost on the sub to "0". Too much boost sounds artificial to me. I don't believe in too much boost and smiley face EQ settings (boosted lows, attenuated mids, boosted highs = smiley face). I like natural clear sound. You will hear more music this way and your ears will be less fatiqued after long periods of listening.


After a lot of listening, I set the head unit’s HPF to 63Hz and the LPF at 63Hz as well. The stock speakers can handle this and the sub really blends best this way. A higher crossover point just sounded too boomy. This is the smoothest setting. My EQ is set flat except for one tick down at 100Hz. There was an audible hump around that frequency that needed to be attenuated.


After all that, I was able to remove enough of the bass duties away from the main speakers so that they could play louder and cleaner. The subwoofer takes over at 63Hz and sounds cleaner and louder than the main speakers ever did. The sound is nice and full and can get quite loud. It just doesn’t go down as low as a huge box in the trunk, but that’s the compromise you have to make when you want all your cargo space. Trust me, kick drums hit you in the chest a bit and basslines ooze out smoothly as you can clearly hear the bass player’s pick scraping his strings through the main speakers. In other words - no muddiness. Hip hop sounds good too as well as electronic music. I am totally satisfied with this little subwoofer.


I may or may not upgrade the speakers. It sounds quite good already. I think I will move onto leather interior next.
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...just talking to myself here.

As with any new installation, there will be a period of tweaking. Today I preferred the crossover point at 80Hz. There was a particular song I was listening to and its bass sounded a little too honky with the crossovers at 63Hz. At 80 Hz, it helped move those frequencies from the main speakers to the sub. The result was a smoother sound.
Good times!! Thanks for the review of something that alot of guys on here will appreciate!
Thanks for the review and pictures. Really tempted to see if one of these would fit in my '04. The stock 6x9 "sub" can only do so much!
Thanks for the review and pictures. Really tempted to see if one of these would fit in my '04. The stock 6x9 "sub" can only do so much!
I couldn't speculate on what this sub can do compared to your stock 6x9. What I can say is that this sub probably has a frequency response that's a tad better than the stock speakers and can probably play louder while sounding cleaner than stock. It'll basically let your head unit (or separate amp) work more efficiently by concentrating its power above the power-hungry bass range. Ultimately, it'll be cleaner and fuller than stock with more impressive kick. But it's still nothing compared to having 2 10s in the trunk with 500 watts. There's only one way to accomplish that!

I miss the days when I could drive and feel like I'm swimming in bass. I enjoy the unsettling feeling of stomach-churning subsonic goodness, but at this point in time cargo space is my priority.
I couldn't speculate on what this sub can do compared to your stock 6x9. What I can say is that this sub probably has a frequency response that's a tad better than the stock speakers and can probably play louder while sounding cleaner than stock. It'll basically let your head unit (or separate amp) work more efficiently by concentrating its power above the power-hungry bass range. Ultimately, it'll be cleaner and fuller than stock with more impressive kick. But it's still nothing compared to having 2 10s in the trunk with 500 watts. There's only one way to accomplish that!

I miss the days when I could drive and feel like I'm swimming in bass. I enjoy the unsettling feeling of stomach-churning subsonic goodness, but at this point in time cargo space is my priority.
Big music guy over here as well and just waiting for my OB to get to the dealership - I've already been trying to figure out a sub setup. While my 2002 Tacoma has a 12" in a small 1.35 cubic ft box taking up half the back seat plus 50 lbs. of deadening material throughout the entire cab, I would hate to take that much real estate in my OB's trunk and add that much weight either.

Thanks to the OP for the detailed writeup. I'll definitely have to take a look at this as a better option compared to the OEM sub setup.

Also nice to see some audiophiles in here! As much as a love the sound of nature, I love the sound of a well crafted and balanced audio system.
Great post, rockthebeef! I've been considering an underseat subwoofer, and I think you've convinced me this is the way to go. Maybe Crutchfield should give you a commission! :)

One question - are you using this with a factory stereo set-up? I see you're driving a '12 Premium - is it with the non-HK, "6-speaker" system?
I couldn't speculate on what this sub can do compared to your stock 6x9. What I can say is that this sub probably has a frequency response that's a tad better than the stock speakers and can probably play louder while sounding cleaner than stock. It'll basically let your head unit (or separate amp) work more efficiently by concentrating its power above the power-hungry bass range. Ultimately, it'll be cleaner and fuller than stock with more impressive kick. But it's still nothing compared to having 2 10s in the trunk with 500 watts. There's only one way to accomplish that!

I miss the days when I could drive and feel like I'm swimming in bass. I enjoy the unsettling feeling of stomach-churning subsonic goodness, but at this point in time cargo space is my priority.
To be fair, my stock sub isn't quite stock. I replaced the 6x9 driver with a beefier aftermarket one and it made an improvement (plus I had to add an amp to power it when I replaced my headunit). The main problem is that it couldn't possibly be farther away from the driver and it's not even at the same level. So it'll do quite a bit if you sit in the trunk, but the difference with and without the sub is pretty subtle in any actual seat (front or back).

I think I would probably not replace the other sub, but use both. My headunit has enough outputs for another and neither one is going to draw enough power to be a problem. I'd like to use it to take some of the low end duty off of the door speakers...the 6x9 isn't quite enough to do that. I can go reasonably loud with it before it distorts, but if I have all the windows open going down the highway it's just barely capable right now.

I'm not one to care about having a ton of bass, but I like a nice full low end. Heck, my main home system doesn't even have a sub, but the speakers are decent sized floorstanders so they handle the low end well enough on their own (Polk Monitor 70s).

I measured under the front passenger's seat and it appears to have more than enough space according to Crutchfield's dimensions. I may have to order one--I'll debate a little tonight. If I do, I'll post a report of the fit in a 2nd Gen.

I do a fair amount of driving for work and I'm a music lover, so I like to have nice sound in the Outback. It's pretty good now (I get compliments on it), but there's always room for improvement.

EDIT: Just ordered one. I'll report back on the fit for my 2004 and my impressions of it.
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To be fair, my stock sub isn't quite stock. I replaced the 6x9 driver with a beefier aftermarket one and it made an improvement (plus I had to add an amp to power it when I replaced my headunit). The main problem is that it couldn't possibly be farther away from the driver and it's not even at the same level. So it'll do quite a bit if you sit in the trunk, but the difference with and without the sub is pretty subtle in any actual seat (front or back).

I think I would probably not replace the other sub, but use both. My headunit has enough outputs for another and neither one is going to draw enough power to be a problem. I'd like to use it to take some of the low end duty off of the door speakers...the 6x9 isn't quite enough to do that. I can go reasonably loud with it before it distorts, but if I have all the windows open going down the highway it's just barely capable right now.

I'm not one to care about having a ton of bass, but I like a nice full low end. Heck, my main home system doesn't even have a sub, but the speakers are decent sized floorstanders so they handle the low end well enough on their own (Polk Monitor 70s).

I measured under the front passenger's seat and it appears to have more than enough space according to Crutchfield's dimensions. I may have to order one--I'll debate a little tonight. If I do, I'll post a report of the fit in a 2nd Gen.

I do a fair amount of driving for work and I'm a music lover, so I like to have nice sound in the Outback. It's pretty good now (I get compliments on it), but there's always room for improvement.

EDIT: Just ordered one. I'll report back on the fit for my 2004 and my impressions of it.
Good luck! I hope it works out for you. As long as your expectations aren't astronomical, I think you'd appreciate the difference this sub can make.
Great post, rockthebeef! I've been considering an underseat subwoofer, and I think you've convinced me this is the way to go. Maybe Crutchfield should give you a commission! :)

One question - are you using this with a factory stereo set-up? I see you're driving a '12 Premium - is it with the non-HK, "6-speaker" system?
Thanks. I'm using this with a Pioneer Appradio2. Here's my thread about that:
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...ioneer-appradio-2-installed-2012-outback.html

My speakers are the non-HK 6 speaker setup. I'm actually quite happy with the stock speakers for now as I'm about to drop a chunk of change on leather interior. I may change the speakers out in the future though. There is some room for improvement there...

I like Crutchfield. They're a good company. They steered me wrong with the incorrect harnesses for my head unit. but I got a full refund for those even though I had thrown one of them in the trash. They're a good resource with average prices, but they seem to make up for that with customer service and the freebies they give you when you order stuff. I usually cheap out and go gray market for electronics.
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In a 2004, the sub just BARELY fits under the passenger's seat. I had to take the seat out to put it in and I lost a few inches of forward movement (which is fine, nobody puts the seat that far up anyway).

I'm pleased with the sound, though. It rounds out the system very well!
In a 2004, the sub just BARELY fits under the passenger's seat. I had to take the seat out to put it in and I lost a few inches of forward movement (which is fine, nobody puts the seat that far up anyway).

I'm pleased with the sound, though. It rounds out the system very well!
Good to hear that it fit OK. What happens when you move the seat all the way forward? Just curious, exactly what gets in the way in the 2004?
Good to hear that it fit OK. What happens when you move the seat all the way forward? Just curious, exactly what gets in the way in the 2004?
Toward the back of the seat, there's a bit of a ridge, so I think it tries to drag the subwoofer forward and, of course, can't.

The other issue is that either the airbag or heated seat plug sticks down a bit from the center of the seat. In replacing the seat and attempting to move it forward, I may have dome some damage to that plug, but I can't tell without taking the seat out again. The heated seat still works fine and the air bag light doesn't come on, so it may be fine.

I really think Crutchfield's measurements are conservative (though I never double-checked them). When I first measured, I figured I had plenty of height, but it's extremely tight.
Thanks for the post, great write up and pics. One quick question: how much do you feel the sub as a result of it being under the seat? I want to hear the sub and feel the bass in the cabin, but not necessarily just have it vibrate the seat. Is there much difference sitting in the seat without the sub vs the seat with it?

Thanks!
Thanks for the post, great write up and pics. One quick question: how much do you feel the sub as a result of it being under the seat? I want to hear the sub and feel the bass in the cabin, but not necessarily just have it vibrate the seat. Is there much difference sitting in the seat without the sub vs the seat with it?

Thanks!
You will feel the hear and feel the sub in the cabin. You can feel it more if sitting in the passenger seat, but it won't necessarily vibrate you. It's not like a massage or anything. I think you really need a large woofer and more power to 'vibrate'. What you do feel is a punchiness, from the music's kick drum (or equivalent instrument/synthesizer). The low sustaining notes that would create vibrations aren't as strong as the punch you get from the initial attack of whatever low frequency sounds are being reproduced.

I have to sit in the passenger seat more to make a very accurate assessment. I don't worry about it too much becuase I don't care for the alternatives... A large woofer in the back would sound bigger, but it will take up space. Also when the woofer is in the rear and you make it sound nice up front, the back seat pasengers usually get stuck with too much bass. If you adjust the woofer to sound good in teh back seat, then it sounds weak up front. With the under-seat woofer the sound is more balanced throughout the cabin. The main trade-off is that it's a small woofer (so don't expect miracles), and the front passenger might feel the punch more than the other occupants. I have had no complaints from passengers though.

...and if you do get any vibrations, they will (obviously) be in the same key as the music being played, so it's not like you'll get some off-putting dissonance. Any vibrations felt are inherently in tune with the music making for a harmonious environment, albeit a maybe little punchy on the passenger's butt.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't have very high expectations from the sub since it is so small, but I just wanted to make sure it would fill out the low end without being annoying to the person sitting on it. Like you said, in my current car, the bass is a bit strong for backseat passengers with my sub in the hatch area. But it's a 12" with more powerful amp.
Hi,

Question for OP (or other that have installed it on Outback 2010+. I wonder about installing it in my 2011 Outback (recommendation from SVXDC) but I have two questions:
- Why installing it under passenger seat and not driver seat? Is it because of the motorized up/down motion of the driver seat that can interfere with the sub at lower setting?
- I'm from Canada and I need my heater in the winter. After seeing your pics, the sub seems to obstruct the under seat ducking. Am I right or the air will continue to flow from the under seat duckings? Also, will the heat melt or do dammage to the sub because it will be above the working temps?

Thanks a lot.
Hi,

Question for OP (or other that have installed it on Outback 2010+. I wonder about installing it in my 2011 Outback (recommendation from SVXDC) but I have two questions:
- Why installing it under passenger seat and not driver seat? Is it because of the motorized up/down motion of the driver seat that can interfere with the sub at lower setting?
- I'm from Canada and I need my heater in the winter. After seeing your pics, the sub seems to obstruct the under seat ducking. Am I right or the air will continue to flow from the under seat duckings? Also, will the heat melt or do dammage to the sub because it will be above the working temps?

Thanks a lot.
Exactly. The driver's seat motor makes it a very tight fit. I don't think it would fit there.

As far as the ducts, yes the subwoofer blocks the passenger side duct. I did not seal it off so air still flows in the general direction. I don't think the heater would really harm the woofer, but it would warm it up a little bit. I've never experienced a thermal shutdown in this car. I suppose you could figure a way to redirect the ducting by using some sort of tubing. The OEM subwoofer comes with a new duct extension that goes around the woofer. Maybe you can score one of those and try to make it work, or just get the OEM subwoofer (which probably won't sound as good).
Thanks for the info. I would rather have the Sound Ordnance over the OEM but I wonder how to redirect the ducting since you've cut one piece of the standard ducting because it was in the way of the sub to lay flat. Can you tell me where I could find valuable info about how to redirect my ducting?

Thanks
Thanks for the info. I would rather have the Sound Ordnance over the OEM but I wonder how to redirect the ducting since you've cut one piece of the standard ducting because it was in the way of the sub to lay flat. Can you tell me where I could find valuable info about how to redirect my ducting?

Thanks
Redirecting the ducting? I don't know of any specific places to begin looking. This is when you have to get creative and take a trip to the hardware/art/hobby store. Honestly I don't remember how much room you'l have to work with. Good luck!
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