2016 Outback 3.6R LTD, TECH-NAV-EyeSight; 2018 Ascent Premier (Canada)
3 growing kids =I've had 2 outback and 1 jetta wagon. I shopped both. I have 3 kids. The smallest was 6 when I was shopping. She didn't fit in the middle seat of the Alltrack. The back seat is similar in size to the impreza.
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I guess I voted for the Subaru as well ... with my wallet like many people in this forum.A good comparison work from ConsumerReport:
Of course I voted Subaru
Not even a real possibility3 growing kids =
....Ascent....Ascent ....Ascent. (the better tribeca).
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The 75d bushings are NOT a huge detriment off road at all. The 85d are for street cars. Or, if you keep the stock rear bar (16mm) , put 85d in the rear and 75d in the front. You will get the most the rear bar has to offer and it will still be off-road compliant. The 75d front will be a moderate upgrade, but more durable.Yep, that's what I'm thinking about. The dilemma is I drive on rough gravel/dirt roads fairly often, and I understand there's a tradeoff. Stiffening the suspension would mitigate the body roll but also give me a more jarring ride? At least in the summer. In the winter, snow on the gravel/dirt roads fills in potholes and dips. Snow is our friend. But the mod is completely reversible, so I will try it. Will contact him directly.
Also following the new discussion about steering dampener lockdown, and it looks like tdck has taken on that challenge, too.
If I lived near a VW dealer and the car was always under warranty (< 50k) , I'd take the VW because it has manual transmission and better handling. I'd also buy slightly used so that someone else can take the more significant initial depreciation that comes with European vehicles.
Otherwise I'd pick the Outback. And then sell before the CVT is no longer covered by a warranty.
Yup, sometimes it makes sense to buy new, especially on cars that don't depreciate much (Subaru's and diesels). I totally want people to buy new so that there are more used vehicles available in the future ;-)I don't know what the depreciation is now on VW's. When I bought my 2013 TDI Sportwagon I thought one would be a fool to buy used over new. That was also true of the used Subaru's I looked at when I bought mine. I bought used because I didn't want a CVT and personally like the Gen 4 more than 5.
In both of those senarios above the savings was only a couple thousand more for new vrs. low mileage 10-15K miles used.