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Is anyone running the 225/60/17 Yokohama Geolander A/T-S on their 2010 Outback? If so, how are they?
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You could always go to 16inch wheels and have lots of good tire options for the 2010. I might pick up a cheap set of used 16's and have some hard core A/T's put on them at some point. Truth be told for 17inch wheel sets there are not very many options for most cars regarding standard tire sizes unless your sporting some really big jumbo non standard tiresBobaru said:As far as I can tell from www.tirerack.com, the above-mentioned Yoko Geolander is (so far) the only A/T tire available in the right size for Premium and Limited 2010 OB's. It seems like a good choice, for anyone who might want to actually go off-road, and should be very good in snow, I would think.
My favorite A/T tire (from other vehicles) has been the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo, but it's not available in the right size.
Our ContiProContact tires are rated fairly decently, but not great, in the Tire Rack's
"Grand Touring" category. Most of the other tire choices that I've heard people talking about are actually in the "Standard Touring" category (as just one example, the Goodyear TripleTred).
What's not so clear from the Tire Rack's ratings is how to compare a highly-rated Standard Touring tire, with a less-well rated tire from a "higher performance" category (e.g. Grand Touring, or one of the "Performance" categories).
In principle a Grand Touring tire (generally intended for higher-end sedans) is being judged (whether it is via a Tire Rack test, or just buyer surveys) to a somewhat higher standard of driving dynamics and performance, versus a standard touring tire that is aimed squarely at more run-of-the-mill sedans, minivans, etc.) But a top-rated standard touring tire may still be a better choice, especially if it is treadwear, lack of noise, comfort, etc., that are the primary considerations.
4ALAB said:Can someone tell me why Subaru puts street tires on a vehicle that is promoted as off road oriented?
Because it is primarily a road car? And because 99% of them will never venture further off pavement than their owner's backyard, or a graded dirt road? Not to mention because a tire like the Geolander will increase ride harshness, and decrease fuel mileage. But I'm sure the question was really only hypothetical, right?4ALAB said:Can someone tell me why Subaru puts street tires on a vehicle that is promoted as off road oriented anyway?
Note: This review is coming from an owner who came from a 2009 GMC Sierra Crew Cab 4x4 that was slightly lifted and running 33" inch, 3 ply sidewall tires.
yes, it was hypothetical question, thanks. and of course it would show better stats on a road tire than an a/t tire, thats a given.'05 Outback2.5i said:
As much as I hate to say it, if you were to have a testing authority run the car through a number of handling tests, I'd bet that it would 'do better' on the stock tires, despite the improved feel...
Actually I have been doing a bit of searching for a better set of tires and was eyeing the Continental ExtremeContact DWS. They came out on top in TireRack's winter test of Ultra High Performance All-Season tires:Bobaru said:So far my experience with them has been great. The handling crispness has been almost as good as the PZero Rosso's, and the ride, noise level, comfort, etc. has been a lot better. We'll see if they live up to their 540 treadwear rating....
Not really applicable to an Outback, other than the Continental tie-in.....
Thanks for the comments. It helps to hear from someone that is driving on both even though they are on different vehicles.Bobaru said:It is hard for me to compare the ContiProContact with the Conti ExtremeContact DWS, since they are on very different vehicles, and also because the DWS's are lower profile (40 series).
So far, the DWS's on my Volvo C70 have been very quiet, compared to the Pirelli PZero Rosso's they replaced. Perhaps the DWS's will grow noisier as they wear, but so far so good. (But the ContiProContacts on my Outback are also very quiet.)
I'm not sure what to make of the "soft sidewall" comments from some reviewers. It probably depends on what prior tire the DWS was being compared to. Since many DWS applications are for fairly high-performance cars, the "standard" they are being compared to are other high performance tires, many of which are pretty stiff (in some cases, the prior tire was a run-flat, which will definitely have a stiff sidewall...).
The DWS's give up a bit of ultimate dry handling, I think, in favor of really good wet and snow performance, and also in favor of a good ride. But this is in the context of very high performance tires. Compared to more normal "touring" tires, like the ContiProContact, I would think that the DWS will outhandle them, whether in the dry, or wet, and MIGHT even be better in snow. They will also wear a bit faster.
It may be a moot point - I don't think the DWS's come in the right size for a 2010 Outback, unless you are also doing a "plus-size" wheel change.
I have been reasonably happy with my ContiProContacts so far, although that includes almost no time in the snow (so far). Bottom line - it's a tough comparison when the tires are so different in intent, and are usually used on very different cars.
Can someone tell me why Subaru puts street tires on a vehicle that is promoted as off road oriented anyway?
Not really, but the stock tires are actually 60 series, not 50. Personally I think this is a reasonable profile considering that most owners will log a pretty small % of miles (if any) crashing through the wilderness. As for the 17" rims they are getting to be pretty standard fare in order to accommodate modern brake sizes. Even serious off-road vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon are running 17" rims now.nikwax said:
17 inch low profile tires say "street performance" rather than "off road"...do we really want to go crashing through the wilderness on 50 series tires and alloy rims?
sck said:This may need its own thread, but so much about tires is about compromises. Traction up - treadwear down. Handling good - temp bad. Everything good - prices way up. what would be a good all around all weather tire for mostly pavement with occasional gravel, dirt road (actual off road highly unlikely)?
Bonus points for a selection that still allows one to continue to make payments on a $30K car.
I'll bet a cup of coffee folks will be all over the map on this.
Really? Cause if that's true, its a novel new step for Subarunikwax said:
how about the stock tire? It's not bad for an all round tire. Yes, there's always better or more focused tires out there, but the stock is an OK tire.