Re: Re: Re: So what IS a great tire for the OB?
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'05 Outback2.5i said:
Really? Cause if that's true, its a novel new step for Subaru
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Re: Re: Re: So what IS a great tire for the OB?
Whether the use of an all-season sedan tire is a good choice or not, the ContiProContacts are reasonably competent within their category, I think, and not total bargain-basement tires. That said, there are probably other choices that are significantly better at different things, depending on what you want to optimize.
The ContiProContact was originally developed as an OEM tire for some fairly pricey German sedans, from Mercedes, Audi, etc. But, this was the V-rated (or perhaps H-rated) version of the tire. It's not clear how different our T-rated version (98T) is. I would think that most of the characterists would be reasonably similar. In our stock size (17" wheels, anyway), there is also a 99T version, with a somewhat higher load rating. Although the higher load rating isn't needed for the weight of the 2010 Outback, the 99T version might feel a tad stiffer.'05 Outback2.5i said:
Really? Cause if that's true, its a novel new step for Subaru
Whether the use of an all-season sedan tire is a good choice or not, the ContiProContacts are reasonably competent within their category, I think, and not total bargain-basement tires. That said, there are probably other choices that are significantly better at different things, depending on what you want to optimize.
just browsing at TireRack, the Pirelli P4 looks like a good tire and the price is very reasonable.
Is the ContiProContact a directional tire? The reason I ask is that one side of my car seems to have the sidewall arrows rotating forward and the other side has them rotating backwards. I haven't been able to find anything that says they are directional so maybe its not an issue.
Re: Re: Re: Re: So what IS a great tire for the OB?
TireRack Test of tires in BMW 325i ContiProContact is the lowest.
TireRack Test of tires in BMW 325i ContiProContact is the lowest.
Bobaru said:
The ContiProContact was originally developed as an OEM tire for some fairly pricey German sedans, from Mercedes, Audi, etc. But, this was the V-rated (or perhaps H-rated) version of the tire. It's not clear how different our T-rated version (98T) is. I would think that most of the characterists would be reasonably similar. In our stock size (17" wheels, anyway), there is also a 99T version, with a somewhat higher load rating. Although the higher load rating isn't needed for the weight of the 2010 Outback, the 99T version might feel a tad stiffer.
Whether the use of an all-season sedan tire is a good choice or not, the ContiProContacts are reasonably competent within their category, I think, and not total bargain-basement tires. That said, there are probably other choices that are significantly better at different things, depending on what you want to optimize.
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Good year TripleTreds!This may need its own thread, but so much about tires is about compromises. Traction up - treadwear down. Handling good - temp bad. Everything good - prices way up. what would be a good all around all weather tire for mostly pavement with occasional gravel, dirt road (actual off road highly unlikely)?
Bonus points for a selection that still allows one to continue to make payments on a $30K car.
I'll bet a cup of coffee folks will be all over the map on this.
oops...this is a really old thread!!!:19: Sorry once i get to surfing the forums i just cant be stopped!
I've mentioned this in other threads, but Yokohama's Avid ENVigor (that's how they capitalize it...) is getting good ratings at the Tire Rack (it's a pretty new model), as a high-performance all-season road tire. I just put some on another vehicle, and have liked them so far. Their pretty competitively-priced, also.
I'll be considering those for my 98 TL, I've been happy with Yokohama tires thus far.
I saw some earlier comments about the differences in these 2 tires - I have the ContiProContact DWS on a Civic Si and the OEM Continentals on the '10 Outback. The DWS is not directional, but the tread pattern is not symmetrical, so it does matter how they're mounted on the wheel. The outside of the tire is marked so the proper side of the tread pattern goes to the outside. My DWS tires are Y-rated I believe and are warranted for 50k miles. They have 36k on them now, are rotated at every oil change and are just starting to get a little noisy. The S is also just now starting to wear off the tread (good timing now that winter is coming) but the tread is holding up very nicely and I fully expect to get the 50k mile life.Is the ContiProContact a directional tire? The reason I ask is that one side of my car seems to have the sidewall arrows rotating forward and the other side has them rotating backwards. I haven't been able to find anything that says they are directional so maybe its not an issue.
I like both tires ok. The DWS is less aggressive than the Michelin MXV4 tire that came from the factory, but the ride is nicer and the 50k warranty was a great bonus (not to mention a free camera at the time). The Continentals on the '10 Outback are not the right ones if off roading is what you want, but for a combination of snow performance and ride comfort they seem pretty nice for what they are. That being said, I will replace the DWS tires with the same exact tire - no question. The Outback tires will probably be replaced with something else. While these tires aren't bad, I think there are better choices for about the same price.
Was going to order the Geolander ATS tires and have them put on at a local shop. Told the guy I was thinking of these for an Outback, he sort of frowned and said these are light truck tires and would not recommend. His thought they would be rough riding and very noisy. Anyone here have them and what is the experience with them? What is the closest I can get to a "tready" tire for some off roading and still good in snow ice and not be too bad on the highway. Thanks.
Mike
Mike
You should read all the threads regarding experiences with the tire. Basically, they are not rough riding or noisy...this is after a year and 14,000 miles on the tires. Great in all conditions, well suited to the Outback.
Ok ready to do something on tires for the winter. Think the geolanders are a bit much for what I need, a good all season tire, thinking about Nokian, any one have experience with these? Comments appreciated.
Mike
Mike
You know...Now has actually said if these are good tires really... I mean some real answers would be nice.
How are they in/on
Offroad driving??
highway driving?
rain?
Snow?
city Driving?
hows they highway noise?
loss in MPG in H/W driving?
How are they in/on
Offroad driving??
highway driving?
rain?
Snow?
city Driving?
hows they highway noise?
loss in MPG in H/W driving?
For what it is worth, my 2 weeks of experience... Offroad on gravel roads and rock they give good grip. Snow and Ice, more good grip. Highway, there is very slight road noise, but not as much as I would have expected with thier tread pattern. For the three weeks I was driving with the stock Contis, I was getting 22mpg. For the two weeks that I have been driving with the Geolanders, I am getting 21.9. Haven't driven in rain yet, but with the tread pattern, I expect them to perform just as well as the Contis if not better.How are they in/on Offroad driving?? highway driving? rain? Snow? city Driving? hows they highway noise? loss in MPG in H/W driving?
Overall, if you want to do off-pavement or snow and ice driving the Geolanders are worth it. I did a ton of research and didn't find much AT competition for them. That 225/60/17 is an odd size. For strictly on-pavement driving I would have worn out the Contis before switching to a better rated tire. I am just starting the 2010-2011 ski season where I will be going up into snow and ice every weekend. (My boy is on a ski team.) So the Contis are going to craigs list and the Geolanders are on the car.
Thank you!For what it is worth, my 2 weeks of experience... Offroad on gravel roads and rock they give good grip. Snow and Ice, more good grip. Highway, there is very slight road noise, but not as much as I would have expected with thier tread pattern. For the three weeks I was driving with the stock Contis, I was getting 22mpg. For the two weeks that I have been driving with the Geolanders, I am getting 21.9. Haven't driven in rain yet, but with the tread pattern, I expect them to perform just as well as the Contis if not better.
Overall, if you want to do off-pavement or snow and ice driving the Geolanders are worth it. I did a ton of research and didn't find much AT competition for them. That 225/60/17 is an odd size. For strictly on-pavement driving I would have worn out the Contis before switching to a better rated tire. I am just starting the 2010-2011 ski season where I will be going up into snow and ice every weekend. (My boy is on a ski team.) So the Contis are going to craigs list and the Geolanders are on the car.
I hate hearing just bits and pieces. Thank you for the 3 week review
I've posted my experiences in other threads relating to these tires.
I've had them on for a year now.
How are they in/on
Offroad driving?? - Excellent, we use trails all over ID and MT and they grip rather well...hard to get the rear end out (which you can do).
highway driving? - Good, no wandering at 70-80mph range or excessive whine.
rain? - Excellent, plenty of channels for rain to escape.
Snow? - Excellent until temps below 0. Handle 10 inches of unplowed snow and (then) slush very well. Keep traction when stopping quickly too. You can get the rear end out a little, if you try/want but the front never loses grip. I don't have VDC or TC, just a LSD (50/50 split).
city Driving? - Excellent, plenty of grip and handle pot holes rather well.
hows they highway noise? - seem rather quiet, unlike all-terrains on an SUV.
loss in MPG in H/W driving? - not noticeable to me, however I didn't buy my OB brand new either. I average 22 mpg in winter (AC is always on) and 23 mpg in spring-fall with 75/25 mpg city/highway driving and about 28 mpg on highways at 75-80mph (limit is 75mph).
In all, they're a perfect tire for the OB if you want it to be a safe, reliable, and fun wagon for everyday use and recreational use.
I've had them on for a year now.
How are they in/on
Offroad driving?? - Excellent, we use trails all over ID and MT and they grip rather well...hard to get the rear end out (which you can do).
highway driving? - Good, no wandering at 70-80mph range or excessive whine.
rain? - Excellent, plenty of channels for rain to escape.
Snow? - Excellent until temps below 0. Handle 10 inches of unplowed snow and (then) slush very well. Keep traction when stopping quickly too. You can get the rear end out a little, if you try/want but the front never loses grip. I don't have VDC or TC, just a LSD (50/50 split).
city Driving? - Excellent, plenty of grip and handle pot holes rather well.
hows they highway noise? - seem rather quiet, unlike all-terrains on an SUV.
loss in MPG in H/W driving? - not noticeable to me, however I didn't buy my OB brand new either. I average 22 mpg in winter (AC is always on) and 23 mpg in spring-fall with 75/25 mpg city/highway driving and about 28 mpg on highways at 75-80mph (limit is 75mph).
In all, they're a perfect tire for the OB if you want it to be a safe, reliable, and fun wagon for everyday use and recreational use.
I've posted my experiences in other threads relating to these tires.
I've had them on for a year now.
How are they in/on
Offroad driving?? - Excellent, we use trails all over ID and MT and they grip rather well...hard to get the rear end out (which you can do).
highway driving? - Good, no wandering at 70-80mph range or excessive whine.
rain? - Excellent, plenty of channels for rain to escape.
Snow? - Excellent until temps below 0. Handle 10 inches of unplowed snow and (then) slush very well. Keep traction when stopping quickly too. You can get the rear end out a little, if you try/want but the front never loses grip. I don't have VDC or TC, just a LSD (50/50 split).
city Driving? - Excellent, plenty of grip and handle pot holes rather well.
hows they highway noise? - seem rather quiet, unlike all-terrains on an SUV.
loss in MPG in H/W driving? - not noticeable to me, however I didn't buy my OB brand new either. I average 22 mpg in winter (AC is always on) and 23 mpg in spring-fall with 75/25 mpg city/highway driving and about 28 mpg on highways at 75-80mph (limit is 75mph).
In all, they're a perfect tire for the OB if you want it to be a safe, reliable, and fun wagon for everyday use and recreational use.
Thank you as well! Looks like these are the tires im going to be getting!:29::29::29:
I find the Conti's highway driving in the rain...uncomfortable. The OB is light for its size and I can feel my rear end lift if its raining hard enough going the speed limit.
For everything else they have been fine.
Can someone post pictures of their 2010+ Outback with 225/60R17 Yokohama Geolander A/T?
Was going to order the Geolander ATS tires and have them put on at a local shop. Told the guy I was thinking of these for an Outback, he sort of frowned and said these are light truck tires and would not recommend. His thought they would be rough riding and very noisy. Anyone here have them and what is the experience with them? What is the closest I can get to a "tready" tire for some off roading and still good in snow ice and not be too bad on the highway. Thanks.
Mike
in my opinion, the at/s is a good tire if you go off road with any regularity. ..if you drive on the street most of the time, there are better choices out there. ...check out the Yokohama Avid TRZ. ..those look like great tires for the outback.
I have the Geolanders A/TS on our Rav4 v6. I dont run snow tires on the Rav as the Yokos are great year round tires. They are not noisey at all and they are very adequate in the snow. We get plenty of the white stuff here. I will run them on my Ob when its time for new tires. As for now I will not run snows on the OB as its new and the tires should do well this winter.in my opinion, the at/s is a good tire if you go off road with any regularity. ..if you drive on the street most of the time, there are better choices out there. ...check out the Yokohama Avid TRZ. ..those look like great tires for the outback.
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