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2014 OBD Port K-Line Troubleshooting

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#1 ·
So I got a VAG COM KKL adapter to try and use with RomRaider and I never could get it to work (trying to find the culprit of a p0420 code, see pg. 144-145 of P0420 Diagnosis) and so I ordered another cable thinking I got a bad cable but it still didn't work. Then I was looking in the service manual I have (got it off ebay a while back, don't know how legit it is) and following its procedure, with the ignition on (engine off) pin 7 is reading 9.1V which according to this is bad.
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Looking at the cable, looks like pin 7 and 8 were shorted (which looks like that is needed on some other vehicles after a quick google search). I removed the short, so it's just pin 7 connected to pin 7 but no luck. Pin 8 appears to be the ignition switched power, so it goes up to 12V when the ignition is on and I think that may have shorted something out somewhere.

It looks like the k-line goes to a number of different places. I am guessing the problem might be with the ECM and something shorted to 9V on there but I suppose it could be on any of them.

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Any thoughts on the best approach? Do the electronics use the k-line to communicate with each other or just with the external device?
I am thinking maybe the best approach would be to try and remove the k-line pins at each of those connectors (starting with the easiest to get to) and see if the voltages drops (to 0V? or just below 5V?).
Another option would be to try and take out the ECM and look at it (which I am guessing is where the problem is). I am an electrical engineer (work on avionics) but it is a little scary to take out the ECM and poke around.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

The CAN works just fine as my OBDLink MX+ still works.

Thanks.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Indeed.

@DaveTix

Are you sure Romraider can work with your model year/ECM? There's a Romraider forum ( https://www.romraider.com/forum/ ) where I recall reading some posts about using Romraider with model years after 2009. I don't recall the details, but I believe there was a change in the ECM supplier, as well as the firmware, which might have precluded access with Romraider. If you're not certain, then perhaps search there or join and ask before continuing on the current path.
 
#4 ·
@Radar So I did some more research as well and found that you are correct and it is supposed to idle high, but if that is the case why would the service manual say it is supposed to be less then 5V? Also even with the ignition off it is still reading 9V, does anyone know if is supposed to be high with ignition off?

@plain OM I looked around (not extensively though) and couldn't find anything one way or the other on Romraider's ability to communicate with my 2014 Outback.

I tried using EcuFlash to try and at least read the ECU ID and still no communication.
 
#5 ·
I found one post asking for an ECM definition for a 2014 USDM Outback 2.5 CVT a few years back, but no response, so as noted, it's not clear whether that user had it working but not fully, or couldn't get it to work and was hoping the ECM definition would be the solution. All the other 2014 posts I could find were WRX, or not North American.

Perhaps post a question there specifically about Romraider and 2014 Legacy/Outback. (Include engine and transmission info, and if possible, information from the label on the ECM.)

Of course, this doesn't address the 9 V on the k-line.
 
#6 ·
**This is for the sake of posterity , as I can only imagine that DaxeTX has resolved his issue ...

The K-Line should be BATT+ voltage - when no communication is occurring.. Are you using a scope? or VOM? if your battery is 12v and you are still reading 9v **With KOEO and waiting a minute for no communication on the line.. then you have one of those modules loading you down. you could s=disconnect 1 by 1 and see when the quiet communication voltage of BATT+ is restored.

If the communication is ok - and in progress .. with only a VOM you may see 9v ... and check your common causes can include failed or malfunctioning components, such as the oxygen sensor, fuel system, EGR system, and exhaust system